GC: I have questions that need answers

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[–]grixitperson 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We never said gender identity does exist, we only say that it is meaningless. As for sex, you seem to be confused. It is not about whether or not you produce gametes now, it is about which gametes was your body supposed to end up producing. Whether something happens to stop you developing that far, or whther you lose that capacity later is not part of the definition.

Over all, yours post is poorly conceived. Please rewrite it.

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    [–]MezozoicGaygay male 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What about someone with a womb, XX chromosomes, who looks like a woman, and identifies as a woman, but is entirely infertile from birth, why wouldn't they be a woman?

    It should be a question to you. You said that infertile woman is not a woman.

    What about infertile men?

    Here is a few questions to you: you do the IVF. Who from "intertile sexless XX person with a womb" and "infertile sexless XY person with penis" will be able to gestate a child from it? And how do we know who can do it? And why do we know who can do it? Answers to those questions will answer your questons.

    There are congenital conditions where woman is born without a womb, and there are women who have their womb surgically removed because of a disease. They still can get uretra transplant and gestate a child (low percentage of success - around 20-30%, but possible). While same can not be made with any man, including intersex men.

    Added after Edit:

    Is this person not a woman?

    She has CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrom, so she has underdeveloped "balls" and lacking uterus as it was destroyed by anti-mullerian hormones, and almost fully developed female body. She can't produce neither sperm, nor eggs, but her body possibly can support uterus transplant and gestation through IVF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wik6uRl6Wjo (this channel is in general good, you should subscribe on it)

    I think saying that sex is defined by gametes

    It defined not by gametes, but by "gametes that body is developed to support". Your own example about IVF is proving this as well - woman who never was able to produce eggs and never will be able to, but still can get pregnant through IVF, while man who never was able to produce sperm and never will be able to can't get pregnant from IVF. This definition describes all and every single person.

    And one more point someone gave in this subreddit previously: if person was born with congenital heart disorder - that does not mean they are new species and are not human anymore. Tall man is not "more male" because "men on average are taller", same as tall woman is not "less female".

    [–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    She has CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrom, so she has underdeveloped "balls" and lacking uterus as it was destroyed by anti-mullerian hormones, and almost fully developed female body. She can't produce neither sperm, nor eggs, but her body possibly can support uterus transplant and gestation through IVF.

    Mez, it's not true that a person with CAIS has an "almost fully developed female body." Persons with CAIS have observable external sex characteristics - phenotype - that are female. But they do not have female reproductive organs - no ovaries, Fallopian tubes, uterus, and they usually only have the lower or distal portion of a vagina.

    Also, AFAIK, persons with CAIS are not eligible for uterus transplants, not even for trials. And for various reasons, they probably would have a very difficult time growing a human fetus to term because every organ and cell in the human body has sex chromosomes. Sex chromosomes affect not just our dedicated sex organs and characteristics, they affect how all our cells and various organs develop and function. What's more, pregnancy involves a woman's entire body, not just her uterus and other reproductive organs.

    For example, XX kidneys function differently to XY kidneys - only XX kidneys can do the job of handling/cleansing all the extra fluid/blood volume a pregnancy creates. Also, various female internal organs are designed move out of the way to accommodate the expanding size of the uterus during pregnancy; and female humans also grow an entirely new organ - a placenta - starting early in pregnancy. Without the ability to grow a placenta, sustaining a pregnancy is impossible. I suspect that the instructions for how and when to grow a placenta might come from having female genetics.

    The idea that a uterus can be popped into the body of an XY person and - voila! - that person instantly becomes capable of pregnancy is a male fantasy that is insulting to women coz it downplays and erases all the myriad, complex and essential things that a female body must do in order to grow an embryo/fetus to term.