GC: I have questions that need answers

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    [–]MezozoicGaygay male 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What about someone with a womb, XX chromosomes, who looks like a woman, and identifies as a woman, but is entirely infertile from birth, why wouldn't they be a woman?

    It should be a question to you. You said that infertile woman is not a woman.

    What about infertile men?

    Here is a few questions to you: you do the IVF. Who from "intertile sexless XX person with a womb" and "infertile sexless XY person with penis" will be able to gestate a child from it? And how do we know who can do it? And why do we know who can do it? Answers to those questions will answer your questons.

    There are congenital conditions where woman is born without a womb, and there are women who have their womb surgically removed because of a disease. They still can get uretra transplant and gestate a child (low percentage of success - around 20-30%, but possible). While same can not be made with any man, including intersex men.

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    Is this person not a woman?

    She has CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrom, so she has underdeveloped "balls" and lacking uterus as it was destroyed by anti-mullerian hormones, and almost fully developed female body. She can't produce neither sperm, nor eggs, but her body possibly can support uterus transplant and gestation through IVF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wik6uRl6Wjo (this channel is in general good, you should subscribe on it)

    I think saying that sex is defined by gametes

    It defined not by gametes, but by "gametes that body is developed to support". Your own example about IVF is proving this as well - woman who never was able to produce eggs and never will be able to, but still can get pregnant through IVF, while man who never was able to produce sperm and never will be able to can't get pregnant from IVF. This definition describes all and every single person.

    And one more point someone gave in this subreddit previously: if person was born with congenital heart disorder - that does not mean they are new species and are not human anymore. Tall man is not "more male" because "men on average are taller", same as tall woman is not "less female".

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      [–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Or someone with Alpha Reductase Deficiency has testes but the genitalia is the same size as the genitalia of a female, so are they female or male?

      XY persons with 5-ARD are male. 5-ARD occurs in both males and females, but it only effects sex development in males; it's a DSD exclusive to males.

      Many males with 5-ARD can father children, and have done so. Coz many are perfectly capable of producing viable sperm. It's their seminal fluid that's of poor quality coz of issues with their prostates and other ancillary structures, not with their testes. Their testes are simply located in an unusual place, but they function just fine.

      I don't know what you mean when you say that in males with 5-ARD

      the genitalia is the same size as the genitalia of a female

      But a male with a micro-penis that might get mistaken for an enlarged clit, or a scrotal sac that resembles a fused labia, isn't a female. Also, focusing on and comparing the size of genitals is a distinctly male thing to do. The only women I know who are into measuring their clits and boasting about size are those who are taking T and pretending to be male.

      People with androgen insensitivity syndrome have ambiguous genitalia and duct development is incomplete, testes exist in the abdomen while the there's external female genitalia. Would this individual be a male or a female? They have both set of genitals that are just not complete.

      No, people with CAIS - as well as people with PAIS and MAIS - do not have "both set of gentials."

      Also, please don't lump all types of AIS together as one. These are distinct conditions that manifest very differently and should not be conflated. It's insensitive and "othering" to portray them as one and the same.