GC: I have questions that need answers

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    [–]MezozoicGaygay male 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    What about someone with a womb, XX chromosomes, who looks like a woman, and identifies as a woman, but is entirely infertile from birth, why wouldn't they be a woman?

    It should be a question to you. You said that infertile woman is not a woman.

    What about infertile men?

    Here is a few questions to you: you do the IVF. Who from "intertile sexless XX person with a womb" and "infertile sexless XY person with penis" will be able to gestate a child from it? And how do we know who can do it? And why do we know who can do it? Answers to those questions will answer your questons.

    There are congenital conditions where woman is born without a womb, and there are women who have their womb surgically removed because of a disease. They still can get uretra transplant and gestate a child (low percentage of success - around 20-30%, but possible). While same can not be made with any man, including intersex men.

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    Is this person not a woman?

    She has CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrom, so she has underdeveloped "balls" and lacking uterus as it was destroyed by anti-mullerian hormones, and almost fully developed female body. She can't produce neither sperm, nor eggs, but her body possibly can support uterus transplant and gestation through IVF.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wik6uRl6Wjo (this channel is in general good, you should subscribe on it)

    I think saying that sex is defined by gametes

    It defined not by gametes, but by "gametes that body is developed to support". Your own example about IVF is proving this as well - woman who never was able to produce eggs and never will be able to, but still can get pregnant through IVF, while man who never was able to produce sperm and never will be able to can't get pregnant from IVF. This definition describes all and every single person.

    And one more point someone gave in this subreddit previously: if person was born with congenital heart disorder - that does not mean they are new species and are not human anymore. Tall man is not "more male" because "men on average are taller", same as tall woman is not "less female".

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      [–]MezozoicGaygay male 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      No, intersex people are almost never exceptions to the rule. Almost every intersex condition is occuring only in males or females. In 99.98% cases we can easily say their sex, and only in 0.02% it is harder, but still possible with just a few tests. While only in around 0.001% cases it is very hard to tell, but in those cases in general it does not matter at all much, and they should be just called as they are used to live or looking like, instead of trying to use those 0.001% as "gotchas".

      If you want to support intersex people: https://www.dsdfamilies.org/charity

      5 methods that are used to determine sex of a person, works for everyone, including all intersex cases (except one, which was understudied, so it is unknown reality of it): https://twitter.com/AlexAlicit/status/1346223299571961856

      And lets not forget that EVEN if they would be "3rd sex" (which are they not), then it is still not proves that "sex can be changed from one to another". It will make transwomen "3rd sex" or "4th sex", it will not make them women, it will not give them right to be grouped with women and enter women's spaces.

      In societies with 3 genders, where gay men are put as "neither men nor women" and doing "women's work" - they are not grouped with women and have their own 3rd gender spaces, different from women's and men's spaces.