QT: A question of ideology

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If neither side can be proven, people shouldn’t be fired or ostracized for believing and stating one over the other

Than find a company that welcomes your transphobia.

There’s ample proof that transwomen are men and transmen are women. Biology. Reproduction. Chromosomes. And so much more. Like... there’s just so much that disproves the idea that TWAW/TMAM

But most of us don't define ourselves by our biology and many external sex characteristics like genitalia or appearance can be modified.

Google is your friend and it’s free, but if you’d like to exchange links, you can link me proof that transwomen are women and I’ll send you just a few of the several links that back up the statement that narcissism is common if not rampant in the trans community.

You're the one that claimed that there are multiple studies that trans people are narcissists.

Sex is not a mental state. if what you’re saying is true, they’d literally be identifying with typical sexual function, or bodies they don’t have, not gendered stereotypes, you haven’t really made a good case for them not being delusional. It’s not mentally sound to identify with a vagina or a penis or with fat distribution, or a set of chromosomes, and since you’ve said they identify with the opposite sex, that’s what you’re saying here. Maybe delusional isn’t the proper word- mental illness of some type surely is.

Gender identity is a mental state. Most of us define ourselves by our gender identity. If I was born male, I would feel uncomfortable and want to transition. The only reason I don't is because I was born in the correct body. That doesn't make me delusional.

Lesbians? Or straight females who think they’re men and want homosexual men to be with them? I’ll have to look it up because it’s still not too clear to me

Trans men aren't lesbians. They aren't female either.

But you will take away a female’s ability to class herself separate from males?

I have no issues with GC females classifying themselves as a separate sex.

You’ll take away her safe spaces to give them to men who think they’re women?

Trans women are women, not men who think they're women. Though to answer your question, yes.

Will you make a female play sports with males because the males claim to be women/girls?

I think sports is the only thing that should be sex segregated.

Would you give a scholarship intended for females to a male if he identifies as a woman?

Yes.

Will you send male rapists to female prisons because of their sense of identity?

I would treat male rapists the same as female rapists. Though to be honest I think our prisons need more oversight and there should be stricter security for violent offenders.

Will you vote for a transwomen to be a political representative for females?

That’s you supporting males over females.

Passing trans women are not treated as male and go through the same things cis women go through.

Instead, you throw us all under and tell yourself it’s okay because a loud minority of females think like you and will back you up, and the men you support over females show you gratitude.

If we are a loud minority, why are you complaining about being fired and silenced for expressing GC views? Most women secretly agree with you. Though anyway, women are more likely to be QT than men.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Than find a company that welcomes your transphobia.

Lmao it’s not transphobic to speak the truth or to say something that you don’t agree with. You keep throwing out the word transphobia- but you never explain how it’s actually transphobic. It’s not transphobic to disagree with tras and trans people.

But most of us don't define ourselves by our biology and many external sex characteristics like genitalia or appearance can be modified.

Actually “most of us” don’t define ourselves by our “gender identity”. Most of us just understand what our sex is and have no issues. Like 99% of us. And sure genitalia can be modified but a neovagina made out of a penis is not a female sex organ and a neophallus is not a male sex organ so it doesn’t matter what anyone does to their genitals, it doesn’t change sex.

You're the one that claimed that there are multiple studies that trans people are narcissists.

There are. Me telling you to google it doesn’t make that untrue lol

Gender identity is a mental state. Most of us define ourselves by our gender identity. If I was born male, I would feel uncomfortable and want to transition. The only reason I don't is because I was born in the correct body. That doesn't make me delusional.

  1. Duh gender identity is a mental state. SEX is not. You said they identify as a sex, so what does gender identity have to do with it?

  2. Not most of us, less than 2%. Most people don’t define themselves by gender identity and in fact have the term “cis” or sometimes if we protest too much, “agender” forced on us. It’s just not true that most people define themselves with gender identity. You saying that doesn’t make it fact, I really hope you learn that someday soon

  3. Feeling discomfort in your body doesn’t mean you are the opposite sex or were meant to be. It literally means you’re uncomfortable with your body. That’s all it means. Again, you saying things that you believe but can’t back up doesn’t make it fact. It makes it your belief. You literally sound like you’re in a cult- just repeating stuff that you can’t back up

  4. As I said, maybe delusional isn’t the proper word, but thinking you were born in the wrong body and telling yourself that you are the opposite sex/gender because of your personality, preferences and bodily discomfort is indicative of mental illness(es)

Trans men aren't lesbians. They aren't female either.

  1. Some transmen are lesbians. Some are heterosexual or bisexual.

  2. If they weren’t female they wouldn’t be trans and there wouldn’t be stories of transmen getting pregnant that are promoted as men getting pregnant. That whole argument of mEn cAn Get pRegNanT tOo is hinging on transmen but go ahead and make your false statements that you pretend are facts I guess

I have no issues with GC females classifying themselves as a separate sex.

There are GC men and you’re starting to sound like the wrong side of ww2

Trans women are women, not men who think they're women. Though to answer your question, yes.

So yes you support female oppression

I think sports is the only thing that should be sex segregated.

Interesting to find such blatant hypocrisy in your men’s rights activism lol

Would you give a scholarship intended for females to a male if he identifies as a woman? Yes.

Then you support male privilege and females not having equal opportunity

I would treat male rapists the same as female rapists. Though to be honest I think our prisons need more oversight and there should be stricter security for violent offenders.

Female rapists don’t get sent to male prisons FYI, but regardless of what you think about prisons, you seem to be fine with sending intact males to female prisons despite the news showing you that this has lead to rape of females by quite a few of these males. So just because you sent the violent offenders to male prison or whatever you plan to do with them (again, hypocrisy, a violent TW should still be a woman and this allowed in female prisons according to you, so then you’re discriminating if you don’t support male rapists being sent to female prisons. Bad ally).

Passing trans women are not treated as male and go through the same things cis women go through.

  1. Didn’t ask about passing or not
  2. They may go through some of what real women go through
  3. What does it mean to be treated as a male/female?
  4. If they are out as trans I promise you they won’t get treated the same as women, in some situations possibly. But they do and will continue to be treated differently in many ways

If we are a loud minority, why are you complaining about being fired and silenced for expressing GC views? Most women secretly agree with you. Though anyway, women are more likely to be QT than men.

You are a successful loud minority that was smart enough to associate yourselves with more significant and inoffensive causes. T is part of LGB, you lie about suicide and violence, misrepresent facts, hide the truth, and appeal to emotions- you’re a smart and media savvy minority. Most women and men do agree with gc. And sure more women are qt than men (maybe, idk that’s true or if you’re including men as women) but that doesn’t mean more women are qt than aren’t

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Eta- I think you do the classic tra/qt thing of not addressing a lot of things and acting as if your personal views are factual. Idk if you’re just very young or an actual narcissist but I’m convinced it is one of those if not both (I excuse a level of “I I I, me me me” in younger people, but as I said idk your age). you don’t seem to be capable of thinking outside of yourself and your beliefs. I read what MarkTwaniac has been saying and I have to agree. You don’t seem to have a great understanding of what you’re discussing. Be it biology, female oppression, or even qt talking points. You seem to be regurgitating what qt/tras have taught you, without much understanding (which- it’s an illogical and desperate ideology that contradicts itself and is ever evolving to suit their most current desire, so I can’t fault you there). You don’t really address points, and seem unable to explain/elaborate on your own. You just tell people who don’t think like you to find new environments. Like you want to separate everyone who thinks differently, anyone whose beliefs don’t line up with yours, you want to push them away and reclassify them as other than (despite it making no sense since biologically, physiologically, you have more in common with gc females than a TW)- I gotta say, you using being Jewish as a counter argument while you’re arguing to silence and isolate those who don’t practice your beliefs is, well it’s a bit ironic and a lot tone deaf to say the least.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Like you want to separate everyone who thinks differently, anyone whose beliefs don’t line up with yours, you want to push them away and reclassify them as other than (despite it making no sense since biologically, physiologically, you have more in common with gc females than a TW)

Such politics and behaviour has a name, it starts with "fa-" and ends with "-ism". There is "sc" somewhere in the middle of that word as well.

And in general, authoritharism is very right-wing behaviour.

I gotta say, you using being Jewish as a counter argument while you’re arguing to silence and isolate those who don’t practice your beliefs is, well it’s a bit ironic and a lot tone deaf to say the least.

It is very ironic, not just a bit.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

whole argument of mEn cAn Get pRegNanT tOo

Is meaningless, because no man can get pregnant, only transmen can, and it makes them to be very different from all other men and make them closer with women in this regard. To become a transman one must to be born female, people who were born male can't become transman and can't get pregnant.

So only "men" who were born female and "women" who were born female can possibly gave birth and get pregnant. And same with a lot of other biological, physical and even social facts. This means they all are grouped under "AFAB" for many things, and we again got to defining them by their sex, not by their visual representation of themselves.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would treat male rapists the same as female rapists. Though to be honest I think our prisons need more oversight and there should be stricter security for violent offenders.

There is one "small" difference, men are stronger and can make women pregnant, while women don't.

women are more likely to be QT than men.

This not makes you wonder why there is such an upraise among women to become "he/they" and "anything but woman"?

I think sports is the only thing that should be sex segregated.

Why only sports? Why everywhere else, where sex segregation always mattered - it stopping to matter, while in sport it still matters?

Why someone like Alex Drummond, who saying "I am woman" but leaving beard and looking like a regular man, should have access to female rape shelters or to examine women after rape? Why mental state of women there does not matter? Why sex segregation here should not matter and "gender identity is a mental state" should metter, while mental state of vulnereable women does not?

Most of us define ourselves by our gender identity.

Most of us does not define ourselves by any identity. No one I know ourside of internet, except one transwoman, have any feeling of gender identity and can't understand how you can feel yourself separated from your own body.

Trans women are women, not men who think they're women.

There nothing to prove that transwomen are adult human females.

Gender identity is a mental state.

Why mental state matters more than biological reality?

[–]pollyesther 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Than find a company that welcomes your transphobia.

You act like finding another job is that simple. It's not. Many of us depend on an income to survive, for food, shelter, clothing, health, etc. If you threaten to take those away simply because someone expresses a different belief about gender identity, you are essentially compelling speech for people who can't afford to lose their jobs. I should be allowed to say trans women aren't women on my Facebook page without having to worry about losing my income.

When I was at my college orientation, they told us harassment is prohibited and one of the examples of harassment they gave is not using someone's preferred pronouns. This is CUNY, my cities only public university system with 28 colleges. Eventually I had a professor who decided she was going by they/them pronouns. If I refused, I would be kicked out of college and unable to transfer credits for a year, even though the pronoun thing goes entirely against what I believe in. I could go to a private college and earn new credits, only to learn they have the same pronoun policy because the trans ideology is EVERYWHERE. We don't really have a choice. We want to have a choice. We want people to stop compelling us to play along with the gander ideology, that's all.