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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I am all for all placee being unisex (except sports) but I'm not opposed to females creating their own spaces. Open up your own park with segregated bathrooms. Open up your schools and gyms. Just don't expect any government funding. By the way, I'm not trans. I'm a cis woman.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not opposed to females creating their own spaces. Open up your own park with segregated bathrooms. Open up your schools and gyms. Just don't expect any government funding. By the way, I'm not trans. I'm a cis woman.

Sorry I got your sex wrong. I thought earlier you said you used male toilet facilities outside the home, and everything you say sounds like it came straight out of the big book of trans clichés and propaganda, so I got confused. My bad.

Sex-separated facilities for toileting, changing, showering, getting & giving, certain types of medical care, healing from sexual trauma like rape, escaping from domestic violence, expressing breast milk and so on are legal in the country I'm a citizen of - the US - and in the other country where prior to COVID I was spending a lot of time, the UK.

I am old enough to remember when girls and women had no sports or locker rooms in schools in the US, and in many places didn't have PE either - and we had to campaign for them, then build our sports programs from scratch. When I was in college, when we women finally got our own locker room in the athletic center at my previously male-only uni, it turned out not to have any lockable lockers, which meant we couldn't leave our belongings in there safely when at the athletic center - and we had to lug around all our kit and sports equipment back and forth from our dorms or apartments each and every day. So we had to beg and plead and raise money for lockers. When we finally got lockers, the next thing that happened was that the water in the locker room was mysteriously always turned off - so we couldn't shower, wash or hands or use the toilets. Then when the mysterious "plumbing problems" were solved, the toilets were always clogged and overflowing and every day the floors were flooded...

You seem to think girls and women were handed own locker rooms, toilets and sports on a silver platter, and that now we all should be forced to give them up. Coz after 40+ years of fair(ish) play for girls and women, you've decided "time's up - that's enough." You may be a woman, but you sure sound like one who also hates others of your sex and is entirely ignorant of what previous generations of women went through to win the right for the spaces and provisions you want to remove.

I was also involved in creating shelters for battered women in the 1970s and 80s, as well as services for female victims of rape and other forms of male sexual violence, and support groups for women dealing with issues affecting us as females, like birth injuries, miscarriage and menopause. We women did this all on our time and on our own, using our own money or funds we privately raised through donations. Only much later did any such facilities and programs get any government funding.

BTW, although it seems you think you are the boss of the world and what you decree goes, in fact you are not the government of the US or any US state or municipality or any other country. Your word and wish isn't the law. And you don't control the public purse.

Also, since you seem to think that US federal, state and local taxpayer funds are yours and yours alone to dole out or withhold, I'm very curious as to how many years you've been paying income and other taxes such as property and investment-related taxes - and how much you've paid in total taxes exclusive of sales and luxury taxes over your career/lifetime. I also wonder if you've ever served on a jury, a government board, a budget committee, in the military, or done any other civic duty/public service like serving as a volunteer at a food bank, fire department or EMS, crisis hotline, homeless shelter, hospice, home for the disabled, literacy program, school, public library, charity and so on.

I wonder this coz IME, people who've been paying income and other "grown up" taxes for the bulk of their lives and who've been involved in the democratic process and have a history of personally contributing to civic and community life in meaningful ways tend not to talk the way you do. They tend to be aware that in a society such as the ones that countries like the US and UK aim to be, the rights and needs of all citizens and residents need to be considered, not just their own. And they tend to believe that public funds are for the public and should be distributed to serve everyone's interests, not just to their own small "in" group for the purpose of fulfilling their own narrow agenda and meeting their own needs exclusively.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The issue was that bathrooms and locker rooms were male only, so women demanded their own separate facilities. I have no issue with desegregating facilities.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I have no issue with desegregating facilities.

Yeah, we know you have no issue with this. You've made it clear throughout this thread that you think you and people who share your identical mindset are the only persons who count. You've repeatedly referred to persons with views different to yours as "bigots" and have called for them/us to be treated as less worthy than you. You've also made it clear that your sole point of reference is your own personal experience.

Other quotes of yours just from the tail end of this thread that show you think you are the only person who matters and also are an authoritarian who is entirely unaware - or just couldn't care less - that other people have life experience and needs different to your own. Your lack of empathy is so total you really seem to believe you have the right to trample over, ostracize, punish and exclude from society those whose experiences and POVs diverge from yours:

I am all for all placee being unisex

I've been using men's rooms since I was a teenager and never had a problem.

Open up your own park with segregated bathrooms. Open up your schools and gyms. Just don't expect any government funding.

I understand basic biology. That doesn't mean you can say what you want without repercussions.

Also, I don't think you understand basic biology at all.