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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That makes sense, but it also makes them look hypocritical and delusional. I know we aren’t supposed to use that word, and I’m not calling them actually delusional- I’m just saying that there’s no real evidence for them to use in support of their beliefs, it’s all feeling and identity based, the science is flawed, debunked, or pseudo. To me, saying that you don’t like gay people or poc because they are gay or poc and saying that women are only female due to biological reality are two drastically different things. You can be a racist and support trans people. You can be neither racist nor homophobic and still be labeled “transphobic”. Being gay doesn’t affect anyone else. Being a poc doesn’t either. Being trans and demanding society treat you as if you’re not your has consequences and places demands on everyone else, even if just in small ways. I will never get how that isn’t clear to tras.

It’s remarkable that they can’t understand the idea that they’re not going to convince the full 99% of the population to see things their way. I think what bothers me about that explanation (I agree with you, it’s just a frustrating truth lol) is that, if it’s not an ideology- then it’s fact. There should be no holes in their arguments, no contradictions, and it should be something that is clear and easy to explain to anyone. The rest of us should be able to be taught their beliefs and it should make complete sense on a factual, scientific, biological, and emotionless way. Even if we don’t like that it makes sense. And that’s just not the case at all.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, you won’t get much disagreement from me. It doesn’t really make sense. I feel like trans people can many times use really motivated reasoning. If you were at a place where you felt like believing something was the only way to feel good about yourself, you might try really hard to believe even if it might not be true. You might really want other people to believe it also. People can be engaging in magical thinking without realizing it.

When I was younger, I used to think about how I was in the world and how people saw me and wondered if maybe the weight of everyone’s belief that I was female would be enough to make me real. It didn’t make sense and I don’t know how it would have happened, but it was a thought I had for years. Super magical thinking lol.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think a part of me absolutely understands the thought process, it’s the extra step of pressuring and all but forcing it on others that is too far imo

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. I don’t really understand the pressuring and wish it didn’t happen.