QT: If women can be male, wtf is a woman then? What term, if any, should we use to describe the female sex?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Hayton doesn’t have dysphoria. She’s essentially just a crossdresser as far as I’m concerned. But I also won’t hold her to my definition.

Regardless she’s still treated as lesser because she is at least seen as women like.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So it went from how society treats a trans-woman to whether she has dysphoria or not. Crossdressers are women according to your now seemingly abandoned metric. Even autogynaephiles have gender dysphoria though. Are they women too?

See how trying to force trans-womxyn into the woman category doesn't work? Conversely, they sit rather comfortably in the men category, due to all the overlap between them & gay men, crossdressers, femboys, autogynaephiles etc.

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Cross dressers can take off clothes. Trans women can’t just undo hormones and go back and forth.

Even autogynaephiles have gender dysphoria though. Are they women too?

If they actually have dysphoria ( which isn’t true of most autogynephiles in my experience) and transition I would think so.

Trans women don’t fit in the man category at all. Our bodies aren’t like theirs. Our minds aren’t like theirs. Even our experiences pretransition aren’t the same because our minds are different. Nothing but a Y chromosome in common.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

trans-womxyn's bodies, minds, experiences fall within the range of variability exhibited by men, but not women

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

No. They don’t. My mind is nothing like a man’s. My body is certainly nothing like a man’s. You can reasonably argue we aren’t women but it ignores basically the whole of society to say we are men.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If a man had been in an accident that left him looking & behaving differently from most people, would that mean he was no longer a man? Seems like cherry picking. Why do the differences point to "not man"? It could just as easily be regarded as a different sexual orientation, for instance, since transgender people are different from both gay & straight people.

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A man cannot become a trans woman, you are one or not.

And it makes no sense as a sexual orientation because we still have sexual orientations. Some of us are gay by your definitions, some of us are gay by ours, some of us are bi, some of us are ace. It makes no sense to treat it as a sexual orientation.