QT/Transmed: Where does gender (identity and roles) come from?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I mean it’s also dependent on unconsciously analyzing the bodies of the people around them and coming up with standards for how people usually look physically.

Also I did not speak of sex but of gender. I believe sex is a spectrum and that no one is really a man or a woman objectively, and that the terms “woman/female” and “man/male” are gender terms. That’s why I think trans women are women/female. Not because they possess some anatomical checklist but because they identify with those cultural labels

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

sex is a spectrum? How come 0% of the male sex has given birth since the beginning of time? Sex is clearly binary. Surely "gender" is a spectrum. trans people's "gender" is too compromised by socialisation & lack of socialisation of their preferred sex to be binary. All trans people are non-binary at best.

If men are women then what is a woman?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If sex is a spectrum then there aren’t any males or females and your question doesn’t make sense. There have been people with XY chromosomes or CAIS who’ve given birth before.

Just a artificial social category like race

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

humans are bipeds despite some people being born without legs. Intersex people who are actually between the sexes are very rare. Sex is still a binary. Every mother was female & every father was male. It's integral to the reproduction method of humans.

Race is a spectrum, sex isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If some humans aren’t bipedal, the humans are not as a whole bipedal.

So you admit now that sex being a binary does not describe all humans?

Nope sex and race are a spectrum just as species are.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Those humans are still bipedal. Neither mutation nor mutilation can change that classification, otherwise people without legs wouldn't be handicapped.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If not all humans have two legs, then no, humans as a species aren’t bipedal. Your generalized abstraction of reality isn’t how things actually are in the real world.

You’re correct that differently abled people aren’t objectively handicapped, but only subjectively so by the people who believe that their particular set of abilities are the default.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you not know what a birth defect is?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don’t believe in them. Today’s “birth defect” is tomorrow’s evolutionary adaptation

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you'd take issue with someone saying that human beings don't have horns because once upon a time a single human had a horn?