GC: what are the definitions of male and female that do not exclude cis men and cis women who don't produce sperm or egg or removed their genitals?

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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I am interested in answer too.

Valid can be concept, argument or answer. Living beings or even items can not be valid. Only time when item (or creature) can be said that it is valid, is when someone created something weird and then "it is valid as a chair" - like it is not exactly chair but it fits the chair role and purpose, so it can be valid as a chair. And even if take such meaning of word, then transgender people are not valid, as they are not fitting neither biological purpose, nor social role of the opposite sex (transwomen can't be pregnant, they still act like men, and very rarely they are passing, same for transmen, they just passing better).

Much more sense would make using word "real" instead. Like "transgender people are real".

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It’s a good question! I didn’t really think about what “valid” means in reality, but I sort of meant it to stand in for whatever the OP wants for trans people. Like, if the OP believes trans people should be treated like their preferred sex, they can push for that without pretending sex isn’t real.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

if the OP believes trans people should be treated like their preferred sex, they can push for that without pretending sex isn’t real.

But if these people are treated like their preferred pretend sex, doesn't that mean pretending that their pretend sex is real? That would seem to undercut the idea that sex is real.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe. Behaving like someones “pretend sex” or “gender identity” means something is very different than pretending actual sex doesn’t exist though I feel like. Pretending sex doesn’t exist is a far more recent thing and even amongst transsexuals it used to be commonly accepted that it didn’t actually change. Many people just think it is nice to treat people the way they want and not put much more thought into it. It is blurring the lines in some ways though so I understand why GC might not like that. Reminds me of https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/