QT: Why are people not allowed to feel disappointed when someone transitions?

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[–]worried19 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not QT, but it would be different if I believed it was coming from a healthy place. But looking at what's happening in society right now, I'm deeply disturbed. I have to admit I've really been struggling with this news. There's no space in society anymore for women like me. What's the point of trying to remain female? I feel like I should just give up and join them. Except I know it would be the wrong choice.

What I find more upsetting than any individual case is the way this movement insists on rewriting the past. The name Page's parents chose with love for her (and she was a her when she was a baby) is now a "deadname." It's not acceptable to use Page's original name even when talking about the time that she openly and proudly identified as a woman and a lesbian. We have to pretend that Page was always a man and never had any other name. It's just a level of insanity that I can't get behind.

I can't imagine it's healthy for trans people, either. To believe that you are "dead." That everything you were prior to yesterday is "dead." That you're literally a new person with a new sex. It's not logical. It makes zero sense. Transsexuality exists. I do believe that. However, it used to be extremely rare, especially in females, and manifested in early childhood. There is no precedent for what's happening now. I don't believe that Ellen Page as a 5 year old or a 10 year old hated her female body, that she loathed her vagina. If that was the case, there would have been some evidence of it before now.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If that was the case, there would have been some evidence of it before now.

Year ago she said she is proud to be a woman and that she want to play lesbian roles until her death. Then she changed her PR agency, and now she is he and a straight man, not a lesbian anymore. Very weird and very fast change.

To believe that you are "dead." That everything you were prior to yesterday is "dead."

It is very common practice in some protestant smaller churches. In a city I am living, around it there few villages, each have different protestant church (they are called "sects" here, tho).

People there are baptizing only around age of 25-30, sometimes later, after it, all their sins are "lifted away" (so there many criminals among youth there, as they believe they will be forgiven by God when time will come), and now they are accepted by God. They are taking new name, deadnaming considered as a sin as well, they are changing name in legal documents as well, and they are "starting completely new life", and often chosing new profession that pastor chosed for them. And gathering all together every sunday to discuss religion and praising newcommers for few months, giving them extra privileges for first time. Especially heavily it is practiced by Baptists.

So I can see such happening.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Makes sense. The religious comparison is apt. When people are born again, their old self is washed away. A lot of them consider themselves new people. They're "baby Christians," like they were reborn into Christianity.

But I think even if you asked a religious person, they'd still admit that they're not literally a new person. Just metaphorically.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some do believe they are completely new person. And in some communities, they act like "historically" they are new people too, as they "forgetting" their past and when anyone speaking about it - it is always like about some other person.

Most such religious practices by orthodox christians and atheists here are called "cults" and "sects". And I can't completely disagree.