Both: How do you feel about the High Court's decision in the Keira Bell case?

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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The UK judges who'll be making these decisions actually do have the expertise to gauge whether a minor has the capacity to consent - and also to weigh the medical evidence presented to them. The law in the UK is very big on child protection, including in medical matters. Judges who specialize in this area really know their stuff, and are quite measured and erudite. As the novel and move "The Children's Act" and the judgments in the Charlie Gard case show.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't doubt that they are judges with experience in the UK. It's the same in Germany. All of the judges who deal with this stuff have experience in the field. This does not mean that they don't treat trans people vastly different. Getting a name change in Bavaria is a nightmare due to judges handling the cases beeing sexist as fuck. In more liberal states like Hamburg or Berlin it's really simple, maybe even to simple.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What does getting a name change in certain jurisdictions in Germany have to do with kids in the UK being prescribed drugs that will cause them irreversible damage and puts them to be on the road to other medical interventions that will permanently change them such as CSH and double mastectomies - and which will leave them sterile, sexually dysfunctional, behind their peers in development, as well as with lowered bone density, IQ and impaired cognitive abilities?

This does not mean that they don't treat trans people vastly different

Who are these "trans people" you speak of? How are we to spot them? Sounds like you think children can be trans as much as adults can. But trans isn't an inherent state of being. Transitioning is a choice some people make for various reasons, and which should be open only to adults with fully developed brains who've had lots of therapy.

What's been happening in the UK (and many other places) is that children who are deemed to like "the wrong" toys, clothing, playmates, interests and fantasies for their sex are being punished for their failure to conform to the rigid, regressive sex stereotypes of the adults around them by being put on harmful drugs and a medical pathway that will leave these children sterile, sexually dysfunctional, prone to heart disease and cancers, with lowered bone density and IQ and all sorts of other negative health effects, including mutilation via surgery.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Actually a lot more then you might think. Both involve a court deciding something related to our lives. And so I expect the system to have the same issues I lined out in my previous post.

What exactly is that therapy meant to accomplish and why would you need lots of it? Also yes. I believe that kids can be trans, as in dysphoric and wanting to transition. Sure they aren't trans men or women, but they can be as transsexual.

Those are some big allegations. Why would you force someone to transition as punishment? What are they supposed to learn from that?

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't seem to have any understanding of child and adolescent development. Children and adolescents aren't simply small adults.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What exactly makes you thin that? My knowledge is a bit rusty since Its been a few years since I actively worked with children, but I'm still pretty knowledgeable about the basics of adolescent development.