QT: Why are gendered behavioural patterns typically sex-congruent (or rather concordant with their respective gendered socialisation) in trans people?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. The 1st study said "There were 163 transgender prisoners in 2019" "129 prisoners reported their legal gender as male, 32 as female and 2 did not state their legal gender." What does legal gender mean? Gender assigned at birth? Also, "Prisoners who have already transitioned and have a full Gender Recognition Certificate are excluded from this dataset."

  2. This study did say suicide and depression differences between males and females. Maybe they meant anyone who identifies as male/female.

  3. I don't know that one. Certain races also have higher rates of HIV.

  4. There is a thread on Ovarit called Non-Binary Wins Oklahoma Seat. An AFAB non-binary Muslim won an election. "It makes me sad she can't just be a black woman who is also a Muslim." It's much harder for a non-binary person to win an election than a binary person. When trans women win an election, GC complains it's all trans women winning the elections and not trans men. When trans men win an election, it's so sad they can't be female.

  5. Males have more overall muscle mass and less body fat than females.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. lol yes, that's so confusing. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/one-50-prisoners-identify-transsexual-first-figures-show-amid/

  2. Did you skip the bit about trans-men & non-binary people (most of whom are members of the female sex) reporting much higher rates of attempted suicide than trans-womxyn?

  3. How is that relevant? I'm pointing out the overlap between trans-womxyn & men. Compare like with like. There is no ethnicity where the female sex has higher rates of HIV than the male one.

  4. "When trans men win an election" – When did this happen?

  5. Yep, that could be part of the reason trans-womxyn athletes outnumber trans-men athletes. it's almost as if the differences between the sexes are significant & consequential

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When trans women win an election, GC complains it's all trans women winning the elections and not trans men. When trans men win an election, it's so sad they can't be female.

  1. Male people still benefitting from being male and their male upbringing even when they claim to be the opposite sex, and women having disadvantages even when they claim to be the opposite sex shows how difficult misogyny is to get rid of, even when everyone decides to play-pretend that people are totally the opposite sex because they claim they are. This shows the reality of just how integral misogyny and the patriarchy are to our entire society, as they're present even when people pretend to be all about "gender-fuckery".

  2. We don't like the fact that our society is so patriarchal that women have to think of themselves as male to try and escape it. How effective that escape is has no bearing on this. It only has bearing on #1, i.e. how much it reminds us of the patriarchy's influence. If all women who claim to be men were treated the same as men tomorrow (let's say, if all female trans politicians got the same positions as men do), that would still show that women need to pretend to be men in order not to be treated as subhuman. The fact that even pretending they're male around people who claim to see them as male doesn't work to give them equal treatment is only one facet of that.