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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I asked you that and you said “many reasons” but failed to offer even one.

You're being disingenuous. I listed three in my response:

People have plenty of reasons for sexuality - trauma, being exposed to something at the time of sexuality discovery and certainly socialization.

These things are known to cement in paraphilia.

Do I think those people choose a sexuality like they choose cereal? Absolutely not, but to pretend we understand how experience, nurture, effects sexuality and whether or not humans have one at all (which is my point - you keep appealing to emotionally appealing examples to people who face social ostracization and punishment for homosexuality as if that is proof of innate sexuality). I don't believe sexuality is innate. Homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual. I think we were a socially sexual species that uses sex for both social bonding, recreation and reproduction. I believe we've all been so thoroughly programmed about sexuality to make a claim about it without evidence (like it's innate - again, any evidence for that, and I'd love to counter that, but an argument of whataboutism appealing to my emotional state is no better than TRA do with gender) is not logical.

You claim that it’s media, but won’t address the fact that sexuality existed before media did.

What sexuality do we know of that precedes media? Dworkin certainly shows how Marquis de Sade affected a world's sexuality without broadcast media.

Question for you - how do YOU explain the rise in women reporting as bisexual to have changed from 13% from 2% while men have stayed at 2%?

And that many people have a sexuality that goes against what media pushes on people.

Which is often shaped by a variety of factors of environment, like trauma, but not only trauma, which can cement us into things against the social norms, even things that are harmful or can cause us to be ostracised or murdered.

you are the one who came here with a view that most people don’t share

Which doesn't mean you're right. Again, it was our side, the LGBT that claimed all sexuality was innate (no evidence), doubling down on Catholicism who claimed a specific sexuality was innate (no evidence), because we cannot express the proved (evidence) fact that sexuality can change and be affected by trauma and experience. Just because we all agreed to something without evidence and feel the need to continue defending that false statement because the modern gender movement is using it to violate lesbian's boundaries, does not mean it's science or fact. There is more evidence to the contrary than to support innate sexuality.

Nobody else blinked when the other commenter said sex was innate.

Sexuality, you mean? Correct, because, again, who is going to argue the last inclusive message that was universally accepted without proof (and claims of bigotry or right-wing alignment if you challenged it). You're being pretty aggressive with me about it, which is why other people won't even consider challenging their thought on it or looking for evidence. Not that I agree with him on much, but Salty has been saying this for years, and no one has ever actually debated him with any studies or facts countering it because there are none.

I am not introducing a new claim that needs to be defended. I'm pointing out a lack of evidence in your claim.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As for your question about the rise in bisexuality- I did address this. I said I think the difference is not that there are more bisexuals. I think there are more people comfortable with being open about their bisexuality, because it’s less stigmatized. I think that society can become more accepting and open to things than before, homosexuals and heterosexuals are more willing to accept bisexuality than before, so of course more bisexuals are open about it. Society progressing and being more accepting doesn’t mean that people are influenced to behave sexually in a way that’s counter to how they understand their sexuality, it means that people can be open about their sexuality as it comes naturally to them. We see this not just with sexuality, but also with “kinks” and the type of sex (be it positions or role playing or things like that, not hetero/homo sexuality to be clear) people are having. We aren’t all into bdsm just because 50 Shades of Gray made it a hot topic to discuss and read about. However, 50 Shades of Gray (despite being horribly written) did help some people figure out that they personally were into BDSM. So yea, media can help people discover things about their sexuality or sexual preferences, it doesn’t mean that media determines/influences it. People are exposed to all types of ideas about sex through media- they gravitate towards what feels natural to them, not what they see most frequently or what they see portrayed positively. Big Love was a pretty successful show (it’s also really good, if anyone reading this is looking for a new show and hasn’t seen it)- we didn’t see a spike in polygamy because of it.

Eta- I, a bisexual, have never been traumatized and really didn’t watch much TV as a child. When I did, it was usually older shows made before I was born, and the shows from the early 90’s where being gay was a punchline and not prominent. I was a huge reader- never read about bi or homosexuality at the time. I realized I was bisexual when I developed a crush on my closest friend... and her brother. I was 11. She was 12, she didn’t assault me or influence me. Her brother was 14 and barely acknowledged me. I had never seen bisexuality portrayed anywhere. I asked my father about my feelings. He explained different sexualities to me. So I guess it’s because of my dad that I’m bi?

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I've watched you since back on the debate sub on reddit, always writing really long missives and engaging with people for days after you said you were done. Usually because you couldn't refute a point and intellectually spew out all over the place (as you're doing here) because you're appealing to many attacks without the ability to refute my point. You've gotten emotional about this - why else are you writing all this all-over-the-place stuff because you can't prove that sexuality is innate - you cannot do that, and there is evidence sexuality changes and is affected by environment. I'll end here - I know you'll respond because you can't help yourself. You spend way to much time in these forums and online, and it shows in your desperation for engagement. I shouldn't engage you further. Good luck.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And how about actually adressing the point instead of attacking the person, lmao?