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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t presume bad faith. I think you don’t consider how people who aren’t trans are affected and are looking out for trans people’s needs. I understand why, it doesn’t change the sense that trans people and the things that they “need” for their safety and happiness are invasive and undermine female rights and needs. As I said, if I hadn’t been going back and forth with masks, I’d have more patience for you. I can only deal with so much misogyny and narcissism in one day. I’m tired of transwomen and their allies acting like women should just roll over and let them take whatever the fuck they claim they need from us. I really just wish it was enough that not all women want to include and share with transwomen. I wish women saying no was enough for men. It’s not, and I’m not surprised. I just don’t have it in me today to be civil and engage anymore. It’s fucking draining. Women and TW have nothing to do with each other and it’s bullshit that women have no choice but to be pushed aside for the needs of transwomen. Transwomen are not women. Women shouldn’t have to shoulder the burden of protecting them or housing them. The only reason TW get away with it is because they are men lol. Men will always get to do whatever they want to women and take whatever they want from women. I just wish y’all would acknowledge that instead of acting like it’s not the case. And I didn’t ask for an exchange of ideas. I asked for facts.

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It's not the case, and one day you'll understand that hopefully. Or just to be fair if it is the case, then hopefully I understand one day. Because I can admit that I could be mistaken about anything I believe.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are mistaken. I feel like all the success is because its mostly by and for straight men. People with power have an ability to use it in a way oppressed groups never do.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I'd say it is not even transgender people's fault. It is conservative abusive men (and friends) found way to reduce rights and powers of minorities and to spread the abuse, but this time by framing it is as something good and progressive. And now many are just jumping the bandwagon (mostly men) or becoming victims of ideology (mostly teen women, 5337% increased transition rate for them). And in the end it is already marginalized groups of people who are suffering from it - people of color, women, gender non-conforming people, LGB people, intersex people, and even old-school transsexuals. While men are gaining more power and control over spaces (like that NYC district, where right before elections man decided to become transwoman and he with other man from same political power won both places - men's and women's), or 56% of transwomen in prisons are men who decided to transition after getting to prison and asked to move them to women's prison (and mostly they are sexual offenders, so sexual offender crimes are over represented among transwomen, almost 2~2.5 times more than in general for men) - who are then detransitioning after getting out of jail (at least few cases were like that), men are taking women's places in goverment, or taking control over women's organisations (like in UK just year ago transitioned manager took over women's help and pregnancy support center). And then they are using their power to remove word "woman" from everywhere - because when it is "people's abortion problems" - it is everyone's problem, not just women's problem, so men have voice there too, when we are "birthing bodies" - sex-work is justified, as we are just bodies and not human beings, and so on. And at same time men's spaces are not touched, word "man" nowhere is replaced. And it in the end hurts transsexual and "good transwomen" too, because of the fact that most of newly appeared TW are just from those men who want to abuse system or control women (and hurts transmen, because a lot of lesbians, gnc young women are transitioning to transmen under the pressure, and while only 4-5% of TW are getting surgeries, more than half of TM are getting at least top surgeries, which is destroying their body for the whole life, as most of them detransitioning later on).