Discuss with just facts?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

  1. What solutions would be crafted?

  2. Transwomen in women’s spaces maximizes safety for the transwomen, right? Not the women? Not arguing, I’m asking if that’s what you mean. Do you think it infringes on females having the right to sex based spaces, even if you think it’s necessary?

  3. This is both the sports and the point you made after- a huge issue I have is that, even if there were a level playing field, it still takes away an opportunity from a female. I don’t think you offered a reason to consider TW as women or TM as men in those cases. I agree no sports (or sports on their sex’s teams/leagues) is the solution, I disagree that TW should be considered for female specific positions or opportunities (because that takes an opportunity from a female, and the whole point is to give females equal opportunity, and also because I don’t think TW can effectively and adequately represent females). Allowing tw to take opportunities meant for females sounds like taking away equal opportunity imo. I think trans leagues would be fair, but idk if there are enough trans athletes to make that happen.

  4. “of course”isn’t really a fact based answer lol

  5. If gender is identity then what is “gender identity”? What’s the difference between gender and gender identity? And why don’t most people see gender as a sense of identity, rather than a social division of the sexes? Are you saying sex is solely chromosomes, not function, anatomy, or primary characteristics?

  6. Can you cite evidence of a prolific amount of violence? I know violence occurs, I’m asking if it’s a significant amount? I just got an email with the names of all the trans deaths this year (in America) and it was about 30 names, which for me, suggests that there is violence committed against trans people, but significantly less than other demographics.

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  1. Requiring third spaces, split quotas, meaningful protections. There are may approaches.

  2. For everyone. Trans women surrounded by men are at a greater danger on numbers than the imagined ideas of fake infiltrators into women’s rooms. If you count eveyone. That’s the safer option. But single occupancy is better.

  3. There aren’t numbers for trans leagues so I think no sports is it. But that being said why shouldn’t trans women have access to equal opportunity but natal women should outside of sports. What’s the non emotional argument for excluding us from those programs?

  4. There’s no rational reason not to allow us to be lesbians of trans men to be gay men.

  5. Gender = gender identity

  6. Not accurate statistics. We are oft reported in death as gay men for instance. And most will go unreported absent death.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

  1. I agree that there are ways to make things fair and equal- though I don’t think TW want fair and equal. They seem to want special consideration masked as equality. Idk what you mean by split quotas.

  2. I disagree. I think it’s safer for TW, and does nothing for women. It can make some women feel unsafe and uncomfortable. And unless the rules are changed, as it stands it does seem like any male can claim an identity that allows them access to female spaces. We (well, not “we” but some) are also teaching females not to even take note of males in these spaces, which I think is a bad thing.

  3. Saying that TW aren’t female is not related to emotion. Allowing a male to participate in a female specific thing is literally taking an opportunity from a female when the opportunity was designated for a female. They are excluded because they aren’t the sex the program was meant to offer an opportunity for. Saying that they shouldn’t be excluded is coming from emotion. It’s just a fact that TW aren’t female.

  4. It’s not about allowing lol. TW aren’t female. Lesbians are female. Transmen aren’t male. Gay men are male. This is just a fact.

  5. I have no gender identity but I know what gender I am and I know my gender solely because I know my sex.

  6. Can you cite this?

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We (well, not “we” but some) are also teaching females not to even take note of males in these spaces, which I think is a bad thing.

Oxford's university put sign on women's and only women's toilets that is encouraging anti-safeguarding, sign that welcome's any criminal and creep in there.

It says that "if you see someone that you think do not belong to that place or someone you do afraid - do not call the police and do not ask them what they are doing here, just continue doing your stuff and be nice to them". Yeah, no way I will be cleaning my menstrual cup when there is some bearded man standing.

This even created problems in some USA schools/colleges, where teen boys were coming to women's toilets and filming girls washing faces and trying to catch them pee'ing. And boys when caught just declared that they found that they are feeling like a women and they are trans in reality to get free of charge and get no punishment for their actions.

It is just bad and wrong practice.