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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

  1. Lmao that was my point. I was being rude. That doesn’t mean that gc women are rude. It would mean that I was rude. Just me. An individual. By your logic, transwomen, tras, and libfems are also rude so there’s no point in anyone calling gc rude since both sides are. I’m not saying you are calling us rude, I’m saying nobody should since it would be applicable to both sides.

  2. I was pointing out that “rude” can mean many things. So again- both sides of this debate have rude people. The only people who say gc is rude are tras and trans people. They also say they want to kill and rape us, so I’ll take being “rude” over violent any day.

  3. I didn’t say you accused us of being rude. I asked you what we do that’s rude. You have yet to explain. I also pointed out that they way that tras say we are rude is nonsensical. It is not rude to stand by your beliefs. It is rude to force your beliefs on others and compel their speech. Which is what tras do.

  4. GC takes issue with how words are misused, yes. We don’t force men to stop calling themselves women, we simply say that calling yourself a woman doesn’t make it factual.

  5. Regardless of what you wanted me to respond to, what I’m saying is that there’s a difference between being called rude, and actually being rude. The things that I listed are rude things to do. And gc doesn’t do those things. My point is I’d rather be called rude as a deflection than actually be rude. Sometimes conversations branch out. What I said wasn’t irrelevant to the topic. It’s me expanding on the topic.

  6. You asked us if we are okay with being called rude, and somehow didn’t expect any of us to examine and discuss the actual reasons that we are called rude? So you just wanted yes or no answers? What then, is the point? There’d be no room for discussion. You can keep saying that we are not responding to your actual question- yet each and every response you’ve gotten is related to what you asked. And yes, there’s still several questions that I asked as well as other users asked that you ignored. Everyone here gave you relevant answers, you seem to be going out of your way to avoid addressing them.

“Though the mentality that one's behavior should not reflect on the demographic they speak for does help in understand why GC people don't understand why rudeness is associated with them.”

  1. I actually addressed this with my first sentence. I said it is associated with us because tras associated it with us. This is their narrative. And it is undeserved. Everything else I said was pointing out why. I literally said it’s not rude to speak honestly and not compromise your beliefs. That is why some people call gc rude: refusal to capitulate to their ideology.

  2. By your logic, since I was rude, all gc people are rude. And since some tras and transwomen threaten to rape and murder “t*rfs”, ALL tras and transwomen are violent people who advocate the rape and murder of people who disagree with their world view. You said it, not me.

[–]LemurLemur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I see. Well, thanks for responding, even if it was annoying for you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The only thing that’s annoying is when the non gc users open the door for a worthwhile discussion, only to slam the door immediately after. We come here to debate, but the non gc users seem to not want to debate, ever.

[–]LemurLemur[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I can't say I'm shocked that few non-GC people are motivated to stay long. Unstructured debate where people degrade to insults tends to just feel like fighting.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t think people jump to insults. It’s when people make point after point, address everything that’s asked, and ask questions of their own repeatedly that we start to get “rude”. You can look at any thread aimed at gc and see us attempt to answer, and do so politely, only to have our responses either twisted or ignored. I genuinely believe the reason non gc users don’t debate is because they don’t have strong arguments and aren’t used to needing to have them. The excuse of the sub being unstructured doesn’t work for me. Anyone who believes firmly in something should be able to articulate themselves clearly and address what’s said to them. I even acknowledged that I was intentionally saying something rude to make my point. There were other responses from other users that weren’t rude that you didn’t really address, so my rudeness isn’t an excuse for you not responding to the users who weren’t rude imo. It’s not just you, it’s almost all non gc users. Looking at the last few posts aimed at gc, it’s very clear. I can and have debated many times without being rude. I don’t get responses or get accused of being rude because I view things differently. There’s a user here who’s known for calling us all rude and hateful just for referring to them as male. When that’s your baseline for rudeness- just stating a fact- there’s no avoiding gc people being called rude.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Op did not want answers from us so much as for us all to select one of two prepared answers.

‘No, we are all perfect angels” Or “no manners are an illusion and must be eliminated”

There’s no room for gc to actually contain individuals or women with their own ideas. Pick one of ops predetermined opinions as an answer or I guess we should all just hush.

[–]adungitit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Asking vague unproductive questions and then ignoring any counterpoints, being unable to expand on your claims and calling any demand to do so "rude" and "insulting" is not how a productive discussion is held.

If the kind of structured debate you expect is "Don't question anything I say and just nod your head to validate me", then yes, a discussion between GC and non-GC people is impossible, and that is indeed the main reason why trans ideology cannot survive these discussions and has to rely on "niceness" and "politeness" in order to have their arguments accepted. That doesn't really count as a discussion at that point, though. GC puts up with talks of how they deserve to get killed and raped on a regular basis, trans activists cannot say the same of their talks with GC. And yet GC is still the side that's capable, in spite of staggering amounts of misogyny and straight up death wishes, to rationalise their stance, while the trans side halts all discussion the second they don't get an agreement on the basis of "because I said so and you should be nice and not invalidate my feelings".