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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Auto correction. paraphilia. Im on my phone and sometimes it just defaults to my native language.

I don't consider it to be any more intertwined with trans rights, than with gay rights. These are issues that coexist. And they don't need to be argued or solved together. Quite the contrary. I think these should be discussed speratly as the lines don't fall together.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

the lines don't fall together.

They did here, right? Is Aimee an advocate for trans rights or not? Are these paraphilic fantasies problematic or not?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Yes the lines fall together here and you can argue both trans rights and paraphilia at the same time.

But these are still different topics and should be treated as such. Treating them as the same topic or anything more then incidentally connected is fallacious at best.

So her paraphernalia and her beeing trans - and thus a trans rights advocate - should be separated for the sake of nuanced discussion even if they are intertwined in the person.

I personally consider age play between adults unproblematisch. I dont like it, quite the contrary, especially infantilization, but as long as it stays between adults it's unproblematic.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Treating them as the same topic or anything more then incidentally connected is fallacious at best.

Why? In what you called a character assassination but never explained why it was that, the author gave plenty of evidence for how many of the people involved in these pedophilic fetish communities outwardly identify as trans and, for example, moderate reddit trans sub sites, or run for office to represent the trans community. Are they trans or is that part of their fetish? What's the distinction and how do you untangle them? If someone can just claim an identity, why would a fetishist not identify as trans to gain respect? Why isn't that something that trans rights advocates are worried over unless they want to advocate for pedophilic fetishists as well?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's character assassination because her fetishes don't qualify or disqualify as a leader on their own. Her actions regarding her father [thanks for the comers who provided me with additional info] did, but that's not what the article devoted most of its length to. So yeah I call that character assassination.

Its quite simple to untangle them. Trans rights are one topic, how communitys, any communitys deal with fetishists is another. I

I don't think going no true Scotsman is a valid way of thinking. So I won't argue that someone is or isn't trans based on their fetishes or other characteristics that I might find disturbing. So I assume she is trans but also into age play.

I think the reason I and maybe other people don't worry about it as much is that age play and infantilization itself isn't an issue. Pedophilia is, and while her boyfriend might be into that i at least haven't seen any evidence that she has that particular paraphilia. And yes these two are different.

Personally i think that it's likely that she was abused as a child which might have something to do with her fetish, kinda the way that rape victims can develop a rape kink. Wether or not she is trans because of the abuse is not something anyone, besides her therapist, can actually answer.

Why isn't that something that trans rights advocates are worried over unless they want to advocate for pedophilic fetishists as well?

This is the main reason why I think that you can't really conflate these two topics, because the topic should be explored more nuanced than that. Do I think that trans people with like her deserve the same rights as any trans person on the planet? Yes. Does that mean that avocation for Trans people and infantilization fetishists is the same? Nope.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And yes these two are different.

If someone is into role playing as a little girl, are they trans? Will they identify as trans online or in public for greater legitimacy? There are currently no guidelines or limitations to what makes someone trans other than the claim of the person identifying, and it can be called "conversion therapy" to ask too many questions or be too concerned about what you mean or why you are changing your identity.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe and maybe. You can not tell the difference from the outside. And thats the point both of these might happen. I don't see how "pretending" to be trans would grant you greater legitimacy outside of very specific circles. Maybe the US is different there, but from what I read in trans circles acceptance is generally low outside a few liberal areas.