Ashton Challenor, the boy who disappeared - trans identified Aimee Challenor

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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

So. Reading through this character assassination I have two things to say.

1) she should have informed the party once she was aware of what her father did. It seems like she didn't do that and that's a big failure on her part.

2) Bringing up her fetishes is a completely different topic. I don't think these belong into a piece on her political failings. But maybe that's coming from someone heavily involved in some kink communities.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

which parts are character assassination?

1 - "Aimee appointed him after his arrest for the crimes which now see him serving a 22-year prison sentence." She was aware the whole time he was involved.

2 - is pedophilia a "fetish"? where is the line there, and when does it become problematic for people to fantasize, interact online, represent fantasies in public arenas or otherwise normalize pedophiliac sexuality? Again, is it just another form of sexual orientation or something which should be approached as a medical/ psychological problem and treated as a result of possible abuse or disorder?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I personally consider pedophilia a paraphernalia not a sexual orientation. But I think that there is a difference between diddeling kids and role-playing your fetish with a consenting adult. This goes for many fetishes.

I don't think forced therapy works. If someone said that they can't live out their paraphilic fantasies in play I'd suggest they see a therapist. The whole topic is complicated and you're navigating a fine line between what is okay and what's not.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I personally consider pedophilia a paraphernalia not a sexual orientation.

Sorry, I don't know what a paraphernalia is (I only know the word in its common usage as "stuff used in a crime" or whatever) - can you expand?

I understand there are differences and fine lines to navigate, but this is the time to work out what those lines are and how to make sense of them if you want to argue for things like this to continue. If it's going to be intertwined with trans rights, then that makes it all the more important to shine a spotlight on what the plan is and make the conversation central and fully open.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Auto correction. paraphilia. Im on my phone and sometimes it just defaults to my native language.

I don't consider it to be any more intertwined with trans rights, than with gay rights. These are issues that coexist. And they don't need to be argued or solved together. Quite the contrary. I think these should be discussed speratly as the lines don't fall together.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

the lines don't fall together.

They did here, right? Is Aimee an advocate for trans rights or not? Are these paraphilic fantasies problematic or not?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Yes the lines fall together here and you can argue both trans rights and paraphilia at the same time.

But these are still different topics and should be treated as such. Treating them as the same topic or anything more then incidentally connected is fallacious at best.

So her paraphernalia and her beeing trans - and thus a trans rights advocate - should be separated for the sake of nuanced discussion even if they are intertwined in the person.

I personally consider age play between adults unproblematisch. I dont like it, quite the contrary, especially infantilization, but as long as it stays between adults it's unproblematic.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Treating them as the same topic or anything more then incidentally connected is fallacious at best.

Why? In what you called a character assassination but never explained why it was that, the author gave plenty of evidence for how many of the people involved in these pedophilic fetish communities outwardly identify as trans and, for example, moderate reddit trans sub sites, or run for office to represent the trans community. Are they trans or is that part of their fetish? What's the distinction and how do you untangle them? If someone can just claim an identity, why would a fetishist not identify as trans to gain respect? Why isn't that something that trans rights advocates are worried over unless they want to advocate for pedophilic fetishists as well?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's character assassination because her fetishes don't qualify or disqualify as a leader on their own. Her actions regarding her father [thanks for the comers who provided me with additional info] did, but that's not what the article devoted most of its length to. So yeah I call that character assassination.

Its quite simple to untangle them. Trans rights are one topic, how communitys, any communitys deal with fetishists is another. I

I don't think going no true Scotsman is a valid way of thinking. So I won't argue that someone is or isn't trans based on their fetishes or other characteristics that I might find disturbing. So I assume she is trans but also into age play.

I think the reason I and maybe other people don't worry about it as much is that age play and infantilization itself isn't an issue. Pedophilia is, and while her boyfriend might be into that i at least haven't seen any evidence that she has that particular paraphilia. And yes these two are different.

Personally i think that it's likely that she was abused as a child which might have something to do with her fetish, kinda the way that rape victims can develop a rape kink. Wether or not she is trans because of the abuse is not something anyone, besides her therapist, can actually answer.

Why isn't that something that trans rights advocates are worried over unless they want to advocate for pedophilic fetishists as well?

This is the main reason why I think that you can't really conflate these two topics, because the topic should be explored more nuanced than that. Do I think that trans people with like her deserve the same rights as any trans person on the planet? Yes. Does that mean that avocation for Trans people and infantilization fetishists is the same? Nope.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And yes these two are different.

If someone is into role playing as a little girl, are they trans? Will they identify as trans online or in public for greater legitimacy? There are currently no guidelines or limitations to what makes someone trans other than the claim of the person identifying, and it can be called "conversion therapy" to ask too many questions or be too concerned about what you mean or why you are changing your identity.

[–]penelopekitty 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Challenor also has a very questionable spouse known for writing pedophilic fiction. Amy has also publicly flouted their own adult diaper fetish. They are doing a great job assassinating their own character.

[–]PassionateIntensity 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A spouse Aimee met online via Fetlife when he was 14 years old and Nathan was an adult.

[–]PassionateIntensity 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you don't want your fetishes talked about in public, don't post pictures of yourself shitting in a diaper online while running for office. Aimee was in the house when his 10 year old cousin was being raped in attic, and he doxxed her and called her a slut after his father was convicted to defend Daddy Dearest. The only excuse for Aimee's behavior is that he's very likely a CSA victim and too mentally disabled to know better.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In our current society it's definitely not a smart move to be open about your fetish while running for any public office. Fetish shaming is still ubiquitous, which is the reason why the community is really tight knit and most sites actively warn about posting identifying pictures. I think that that's wrong, because what gets doesn't have any impact on how well you can do other stuff.

That's honestly new information to me. Thanks for bringing it up.

[–]emptiedriver[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think that that's wrong, because what gets doesn't have any impact on how well you can do other stuff.

If the other stuff you're doing is designing policy and social structures, then it's not how well you do it, but to what end you are going to do it that's important. A person's vision of the best possible world, the interdependent support systems you hope to encourage, does make some difference when you're talking about politicians, I think. Community, family, trust, "it takes a village", versus every individual for themselves, do what you like on your own time and don't expect anything from one another, are pretty different attitudes, for example. How you live reflects your own expectations and hopes for the way society will develop, to some extent

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. And that's the issue. From her fetish we can not make any assumptions about her policies. Fetishists aren't alike.