GC: If a neopenis feels and looks like a penis, what makes it not a penis? What is the difference between a neopenis and a penis when they both look and feel similar? I don't get it

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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Look at one. They never look the same as a penis. A real penis has spongiform tissue that enforces with blood to become erect. A neo penis has a pump and release valve. Is this the same?

Is a dildo a penis? Is the penis on the statue of David the same as a real penis? Or are they constructed facsimiles?

[–]worried19 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Have you ever seen a neopenis?

It's my understanding that they are not remotely like an actual penis. That's why bottom surgery for trans men is so rare.

[–]BayHorseGender Critical 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If I make a statue of an apple, is it an apple? If it looked very realistic, would you eat it? What is the difference between them?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We already did this like a week ago

Also, neopenises look and function nothing like penises lol

[–]SnowAssMan 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lego piano is a piano, because it looks like a piano & we can even make it play music.

Mostly wishful thinking. Surgeons aren't magicians. No one is gleeful about this fact. If what you suggest was possible a lot of men who lost their penises in accidents would be very grateful for this medical advancement, not to mention the men with micropenises.

[–]slytherinxx 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why does it matter whether or not a neopenis looks and feels like a biological penis? According to queer theory, the presence or absence of sex organs isn't what makes someone a man or a woman. Why should trans men even need a neopenis, since QT now likes to argue that whatever parts you have are whatever you say they are?

[–]strictly 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A trans man started this thread 3 hours ago in the askgaymen subreddit, the question being if anyone in the sub would bottom for a trans man and most of them said yes, only two people said no.

So only two gay men responded to thread. Gynephilic men saying they would be up for some heterosexual sex is not an uncommon thing to see.

As you are on saidit you should already be aware that reddit tend to ban subreddits for homosexuals, like truelesbians. Remaining subreddits that are labeled as "for homosexuals" are generally for everyone except homosexuals who tend to get banned for being homosexual, hence only two gay men responding to that thread.

[–]FlanJam 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think they're indistinguishable, just going off of what I've heard from people. I'm not an expert but I find it hard to believe medical technology has advanced that far.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are saying whenever two things are perceived by someone as having something similar about them, then they must be considered the same thing. You are not very good at being disingenuous.

[–]PassionateIntensity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't look like or feel like or function like a penis. At all. Do what you want, sleep with who you want, but stop pissing on my head and calling it rain.

[–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it okay if some people do disagree? Are they being immoral in your opinion if they only want to have sex with people who are male-bodied rather than people who have had plastic surgery to look male? For that matter, are people sexist if they won't have sex with people of both sexes?

To me the point is, if you like neopenises, then that is your right, but to have any expectation of what it means to anyone else is just weird.

Obviously it is not actually the same, the body it is attached to is not the same, the experience of that person is not the same... though whether or not you can tell is probably not a complete all/nothing. Someone might close their eyes and pretend Bob is Rob and believe it for a second but it doesn't really make it real or consistent. But all the same someone who feels attracted by a male body and a male person may not be attracted to a female person with extensive medical technology to mimic male genitalia. Maybe they're flexible, maybe they think they are and want to experiment, maybe they have a low sex drive and really like the person, maybe maybe maybe - but factually they do not have the same reproductive organs. What's it to you?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As many have said, a neopenis is not indistinguishable from a penis, neither is a prosthetic. Can it get erect, ejaculate, produce sperm, send the same sensation to the owner? No. Even if it were indistinguishable, silicone injections are supposed to be indistinguishable from fat when injected under the skin. It's still not your actual fat or body.

As for most gay men in this thread saying yes, there are a couple things. First, there's this message from a mod:

Asking whether gay men will date or be attracted to transgender men is a frequently asked question here. These particular questions are sometimes met with hostility and invalidation from transphobes or even just from people who don't understand the trans community.

I feel like that would color the responses. Seeing messages like this, it would be much easier to simply say nothing than say you wouldn't. It isn't an anonymous poll.

On another level, this question is asking "would you try this out." It isn't "have you tried it and did you like it" or "could you see yourself being with someone long term if you could only have sex this way." I'm a straight woman and if there were a cis man I really liked without a penis (accident, cancer, whatever idk) I might give it a shot. But would that be actually satisfying in the long run? I want to believe it could be, like I want to believe that if my partner got cancer I would be the perfect partner and put my life on hold to treat him. It... doesn't always work out that way in real life.

I should look for this video again, but it's from a woman whose husband came out as trans. She was bisexual so everyone was like "cool! This will work out perfectly!" And I think she felt that way too at first, but over time she knew it wasn't the same. She seems like the kind of person who would have answered yes to a thread like this, but the reality was that it didn't work.