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[–]ISaidWhatISaid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's not like the women who frequent Ovarit really care about gay cis men. Gender critical feminists resisted the idea that transgender men were also being sexually inappropriate, if not outright sexually predatory in some cases, towards gay cis men until they could no longer ignore it, and even after they were presented with several documented examples of trans men sexually harassing cis gay men, the gender critical feminists insisted that it wasn't a big deal because "trans men aren't a threat to gay men the way trans women are a threat to cis women" (as if it's not such a big deal for a gay man to be sexually harassed in general). I have watched a number of radical feminist videos about gay men and read a number of Facebook threads, and the homophobia towards gay men amongst gender critical feminists is palpable. I won't mention her alias here or link to the Youtube video, but I particularly recall a recent video where a young radical feminist claimed that gay men are like the slave-catchers of the patriarchy and that the only reason gay men go into feminine professions like fashion and art direction is so that they can police and enforce femininity amongst women, thus selecting, feminizing and serving up feminine women to their straight male "superiors" in order to be on their good side. It was like this young feminist had swallowed every neocon "gay recruitment" talking point, only in her radical feminist regurgitated version, it was evil gay men recruiting young women for straight men (instead of the old version where the evil gay men recruit young men for themselves). This is just one example of overt homophobia I have come across amongst gender critical feminists, so I am not very impressed by the fact that they now have a thread on their site about gay cis men and transgender men. Gender critical feminists only remembered gay cis men when it was time to weaponize them as part of an anti-trans argument.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You are entirely correct. GC only cares about gay men when they can use gay men to shit on trans people. They do the same thing with trans men. For instance on reddit a trans man started a thread on how some trans women talk over trans men. In response GC in the old sub created a thread titled "TIF’s discuss how badly they are treated by over-sexualized and narcissistic TIM’s". In the thread they misgendered the dude of course, said all trans women are like this, and said to the trans men men don’t care about them and to "come back to your sisters who love you." Yet when trans men similarly complain about GC, GC doesn't take the criticism. When GC responded to that thread, they didn't do it to support the dude, they did it to shit on trans women. Once trans men start asking you use their correct pronouns, instead of defending trans men like they did in that thread, GC will call them narcissistic and delusional. Yes they have stated on Ovarit that asking people to use your preferred pronouns is narcissism. So yes they don't care about gay men until trans people are involved. They only started pretending to care about gay men to insult the trans community.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Some of us actually care about trans men's health, you know.

I'm not in this to hate on people.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most GC people have never been trans men, so why not ask trans men themselves what can you do to support their health?

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I care about making sure that adult trans men are accurately informed of the health risks of testosterone and of any surgeries they may elect to have. Beyond that, I want to make sure that they have the same access to reproductive rights as any other natal female person. Anti-abortionists don't care if they're trans. It's not like they'll stop trying to take away access to abortion just because someone identifies as a man instead of a woman. I also want to make sure that minors are protected from irreversible and sterilizing medical procedures until they are of an age to make informed decisions for themselves.