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[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I never said you should call yourself a man. You are a male transwoman.

No kidding breaking down patriarchy is not going to be easy. I think that is something that trans people and GC people can actually agree on. I do think creating other ways of being for people born male outside of "man" does weaken patriarchy and heteronormativity but I guess it is more work and effort tthan simply usurping and claiming the protections and rights that women have allready fought for. Nonetheless it is what I support.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They don’t have to be exclusive. The existence of trans women doesn’t preclude the existence of feminine men.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I agree with you about this. That actually is my whole point in saying that trans people can be a separate category rather than being pushed into being considered men or women.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That’s what non-binary people are though.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They aren’t intersex, and their non binary ideas are reinforcement of the heteronormative sexed roles we both want gone.
Why protect an ideology that harms both women and transwomen?

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why protect an ideology that harms both women and transwomen?

Without it they just don't exist.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Being non-binary doesn’t necessaarilly hold up that. Some of them have bodily dysphoria and it doesn’t need to hold up the social end.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dysphoria does not make them between sexes. They are still males and females who reject the labels man or woman. Gender identity as described by swaths of “non-binary” people is rooted in their level of acceptance or rejection of gender roles.

How does dysphoria make one neither male nor female? How can one identify as sexless or hermaphroditic? If it isn’t gender roles this is the only other thing I can see them trying to say.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think dysphoria is the only part that matters. And it doesn’t make them not male or female but it does make them (the non-binary ones) not men or women.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What are men and women if not males and females? This is the part that seems to only be able to be filled in with sexism.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think "non-binary" exists as a separate thing. We are all non-binary as we have aspects of masculinity and femininity in our personalities. No one is a living Barbie or Ken doll. The whole concept that most people are this is one of my least favorite things about gender identity ideology.