All (mainly QT): If socialization is not a large factor than what causes drastically elevated levels of violence and sociopathic behavior in human males vs. human females?

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Males have basically evolved to be bad, or to have the potential to be violent. Testosterone increases strength and enables aggression, even if it may not necessarily cause aggression. If it were all socialization then why would patriarchy exist pretty much the world over in almost all cultures? The only answer is, imo, to get rid of the root cause, that being men.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Jeez, I don’t know what it is with you and Masks. I’ll never understand this kind of thing. Why can’t we just talk about men behaving better?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don’t trust that they can personally. Future generations with better socialization may have a shot But current socialization plus testosterone means I don’t trust cis men to be able to do better even if they wanted to.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Not all men are evil. You're thinking of the worst of the worst. There are far too many men like that, but the majority are not out there lawlessly attacking, beating, shooting, and raping others. If men couldn't control their violent tendencies, we'd have no civilization.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

They’re only kept in check by fear of the law or other men. I don’t like Hobbes generally but when I comes to men I can get behind the Leviathan theory. Not all men? Sure. But enough I can never trust them.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you look at little boys and think they're destined to become evil, or that they're already evil?

Every man started off as an innocent child. I understand there are problems with male behavior, but I don't think it's as dire as you make out. And women are not perfect angels. Women can do and have done evil things all on their own, without men's help.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That absent extremely unusual upbringing (or unusual hormone condition) that they will be evil.

I’m not saying women are angels. I’m just saying I don’t assume they are evil.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's a sad way to look at the world, though. I can understand being jaded. Believe me, Reddit has made me way more cynical than I ever was before. But even assuming the worst case scenario, I still think about 20-30% of men are decent.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe but that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not saying you should take any chances with your personal safety, of course.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can't; not systemically, at least.