All (mainly QT): If socialization is not a large factor than what causes drastically elevated levels of violence and sociopathic behavior in human males vs. human females?

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My impression is that QT doesn't tend to believe that childhood socialization by gender-based on sex is formative the way GC feminism does. They seem to mostly believe that socialization is more of an individual thing and someone even as a child can reject the messages they are fed by society.

This makes no sense to me as it says nothing to account for the fact that males commit the vast majority of things like murder and sexual assault and are almost solely responsible for war and mass violence. As someone born male, this is something I've come to sadly accept but also really wrestle with and feel extremely depressed by. The lack of empathy the vast majority of males display to women fighting for their rights (while empathizing far more with other males who claim a different gender identity). is another very sobering realization I have had recently.

My question is if these factors are not caused by socialization what other factors can explain them? Is the QT position that many males are just "born bad"? What is the root cause of patriarchy if it isn't a social thing? Why is our current society such a misogynistic hellscape? At least with the explanation of socialization, it is something that could potentially be correctible. I have never heard QT offer any kind of alternative other than to say if we just let people choose their gender everything will magically just work out and wither away.

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Something I was just commenting about on the other post:

You know those sweet little valentines that qt/tras send to gc women (only women, incidentally...)? You know, the ones where they tell us they’re gonna rape/breed/torture/convert/murder us for being t!rfs?

Anyone ever notice that, when female people send those messages, they’re calling us witches or Nazis, saying we aren’t feminists, and also maybe occasionally threatening to punch us? Meanwhile, the males are the ones threatening to- and this one is a quote I’ll never forget even though the sub reporting it got banned, not the (male) person who said this- “tie up that terf bitch, rape her repeatedly until she likes it, make her birth my babies because that’s all she’s good for, and when she can’t anymore, I’ll finally murder her and put her in the trash.”

Now, obviously not all TW take their little love letters this far (or even send them), but quite a few of them seem to want to do at least two or three of those things per threat dm...

Also, for what it’s worth, Most of them seem to be post transition/well into taking cross sex hormones... but sure it’s testosterone, not socialization. That makes sense. 🙃

Side note- if socialization is an individual thing, how is it socialization? The entire concept of socialization relies on it being societal rather than individual.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Twitter has banned Azealia Banks for being rude to transgenders, when she said that lets during covid focus goverment money on people of color, especially ones heavy working on fields, instead of spending them on renaming genders and transgender social issues, as people of color dying there.

People who were threatening to rape her and called her to return to field (I'd say it is racism) - were not banned. While she was.

I guess black lives does not matter that much to Twitter.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why it is always anyone who is asking questions about genderqueer theory and transgender activism is banned, but not the opposite side, even when they are writing exactly the same?

I do agree that her post was written in a rude maner, but she was asking protection for people of color (and she is a woman of color herself), and people who are writing as rude as her but not questioning transgender ideology are not banned, maximum they are getting their post removed sometimes.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

Yeah, reading the shit on the old TERFIsaSlur group as one of the main things that peaked me into completely not believing that transwomen were women or that they were oppressed people.. I mean women can be vicious to other women in their own ways but there is a certain horrible way that misogynist males talk to the women they hate with very particular speech patterns and male TRAs emulate that perfectly.

You're also right that while I've had some cruel and nasty things said to me by TRAs I've never had the personal and violent threats women get from them. They have a special hatred for women who disagree with them.

They want to believe they are exactly like women just because they claim to want that but they put no work into actually fighting their male socialization. The transwomen I've talked to that do fight their male socialization are very different but they, unfortunately, seem like the minority.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I feel like actually listening to transwomen, especially the ones online, is like the thing peaks so many people.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Absolutely. I went from just not thinking TWAW to active anger and frustration.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I sort of lost my belief in gender identity (the way trans people use it) once I was actually in trans communities and realized most transwomen behaved like narcissistic straight men (and transmen like women). And that was like close to 20 years ago, before “cis” and transgender replacing transsexual. It’s only gotten worse since then. 😣

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sure peaked me

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

So you don’t even believe we are oppressed?

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gender non-conforming people can be marginalized and discriminated against for being gender non-conforming but I don't believe transwomen are systemically oppressed as a group the way women are,, no.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you are incorrect in believing trans women are not oppressed but fair enough.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Even if you are oppressed(I don’t think you are), oppression doesn’t give you the right to undermine another oppressed group’s rights and protections. So i don’t get why trans people bring up oppression with gc people so much. Females are also oppressed. Females don’t infringe on anyone else’s rights to obtain their needs. I actually can’t think of any other oppressed group that does.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are just protecting our hard won rights and spaces, and ourselves in general. And for some reason protecting yourself is called bigoted nowadays.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

You honestly are going to deny trans people are even oppressed? Yeah there’s actually no point in talking then.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Why were you willing to continue to talk to the other person who said that trans people aren’t oppressed? It’s odd that you’d reject discussion with me but are willing to discuss with DG. Interesting. Considering I’ve said plenty of times exactly what DG said, that trans people are marginalized and discriminated against, but not oppressed. Is it because I pointed out that one oppressed class shouldn’t be oppressing another?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

I didn’t realize it was someone I was in multiple strands with. I don’t believe meaningful dialogue can be had with someone who can’t at least acknowledge that trans women are oppressed.

Oppression is defined (in one formulation) as the prolonged cruel or unjust exercise of power. If you can’t agree that is occurring to trans people then nothing I could even potentially say could move you to a closer middle position away from your transphobia. Not just you specifically but anyone with the belief that trans women are oppressed is refusing to acknowledge the realities of how society treats us to an extreme enough degree I don’t think dialogue can help.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So, you’re not going to address what I said about one oppressed group having no right to oppress or infringe on another... justify it how you want lol

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I’m not going to try to Have dialogue with someone Who doesn’t agree trans people are oppressed.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

😂😂😂

I love how you pretend to be taking the high road whenever you don’t know how to address something. You backed yourself into a corner about testosterone and now you won’t address this because you know I’m correct.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Oppression is defined (in one formulation) as the prolonged cruel or unjust exercise of power

Yes but who is doing this then with regard to transwomen? What systems of power have been set up specifically to oppress transwomen? Transmen are oppressed but this is obviously on account of them being born female not being trans-identified.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Hoteronormative hegemony for those who don’t pass and garden variety patriarchy for those who do. Laws targeting trans people specifically have been passed recently and are in the pipeline for more.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Hoteronormative hegemony for those who don’t pass a

So if heteronormativity is the problem why do you reinforce it by claiming transwomen are women rather than fighting to distigmatize transness as a separate category (something I've often said I fully support)?

garden variety patriarchy for those who do.

I'd argue that patriarchy is actually at the root of the problems that all gender-nonconforming males but face but it is disrespectful to women to imply that we are oppressed by patriarchy in the same way women are even for those who sometimes can pass as women in casual contact.

Laws targeting trans people specifically have been passed recently

Which laws specifically?. Laws denying that trans people (transwomen specifically) can change sex are not targetting trans people. They are simply recognizing the sex-based rights of women which is a good thing.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Is the GC stance that testosterone has zero effect on male behavior? I'm GC, and I don't know that I agree with that. A large part is socialization, sure, but I do believe biology plays some role. Males are much more violent than females across all known cultures. Granted, almost all cultures are patriarchal, but still.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I have never heard anyone say that it has zero effect (and wouldn't agree on that) I do think or at least hope that it isn't the main factor determining it though. My own experience is that a lot of the negative aspects of male socialization can at least be worked on and improved even though it certainly is not as simple as many transwomen make out to get rid of it. There probably is a biological element with testosterone making men naturally more aggressive but when you look at transmen they don't suddenly become identically violent to men when they start taking testosterone so a lot of it is socialization.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Agreed. Socialization obviously plays a key role. If it were due to testosterone alone, trans men would all of a sudden display criminality at similar levels as natal men, and that just doesn't happen.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There was one study that indicated increased criminality in trans men to be fair, but the author stated this was likely due to survival crime.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting. I've also noticed that there seem to be more GNC women in prison than you would normally see in society at large. I wonder if there's anything about being a masculine woman that predisposes one towards behavior that might lead to trouble with the law, or if it's solely a matter of effects due to being outcast or put on the fringes of society.

If trans men engage in more survival crime, it could be due to the same reason, that they're forced into criminality by marginalization. I wonder if that study controls for education, family support, and job prospects. Who's the author of the study? It would be interesting to see if levels of criminality go up only after testosterone treatment, or if they were higher before that.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've also noticed that there seem to be more GNC women in prison than you would normally see in society at large.

It has to do most likely with how criminal world works.

I remember memoirs of either japanese or chinese "criminal mother" over big criminal sindicat. And a lot of her experience was described as that you need to look less feminine, act more agressive, and have more tattoos and so on, otherwise no one will take you seriously and you will be at high risks of rape because you are dealing with honorless thugs all the time. And that being like that is also fight against the system as well, to show that you are not complying to "normal society" and fully with criminal world.

So most likely they are criminals not because they are GNC, but they are GNC because they are criminals.

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I don’t have the name handy but it’s the Swedish study that gc often cites to say trans women maintain male criminality (even though the author notes it is different types of crimes and that the crime rate was lower in the latest observed group).

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it certainly is not as simple as many transwomen make out

Most are not even trying, which is very sad.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

Socialization matters certainly but not as much as testosterone.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel like saying it’s all testosterone is infantilizing to men and makes it where they aren’t responsible for bad behavior. Plus, it can’t explain guys who don’t display toxic masculinity.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

As I said I think socialization plays a part but it’s mostly to testosterone.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does this mean men who aren’t abusive or violent have lower testosterone? Does this also mean that, unless they happened to be one of the males who already had lower testosterone, all transwomen were abusive and violent before taking cross sex hormones? Can you cite this?

My husband is pretty calm and never abusive. Does he have low testosterone?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

So were you out there beating people or raping people prior to getting on female hormones?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Not raping of course but I had a lot of anger I took out by starting fights. Once I got rid of the T, no more anger.

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Do you think maybe your own inability to control your anger prior to transitioning might contribute to your idea that every male other than TW is chronically violent?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are many cases when transwomen are violent and often not empathetic to women, but empathetic to men or other transwomen. So testosterone is not the case. Testosterone maybe was facilitating and making already existing problems worse, but clearly was not the solely reason of them.

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Yup. If it was testosterone, transmen should get way more violent.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We should not forget about all women with PCOS before all this transgender boom happened.

Many women with heavy PCOS have testosterone levels above even transmen levels, and they are often have beard, however, they were still not agressive and mostly other way around - very calm and self-pity, so even if agression was appearing - it was always focused on themselves, never on people around.

I was working in charity center of helping PCOS women with medicaments and mental treatment, I've met a lot of them, and none of them was violent, some could be passive-agressive, but not in physical way.

I even have few friends from that time among them, and one of them, woman with PCOS (and beard), when was giving birth at night, you know what she was concerned? If her screams are not waking up other women in the hospital. She was very upset that because of PCOS her childbirth process is very painful and very long, so she is screaming from pain and can cause lost of comfort to other women in hospital. She even was asking doctor if she is not tired, because she is taking childbirth for many hours now and can be tired, because she was blaming herself for not being good enough to give fast birth and now doctors are tired because of that her flaw. She was concerned about her husband being there too, but he was very supportive and tried to calm her down that it is not her fault and everything is fine (he is the one who told me this story).

So even with having too much testosterone, on a man level, for almost whole her life, that woman was still the most "be nice to others" person you can imagine.

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It was controlled in a fashion. But the answer to the question is yes, but because I have perspective on how testosterone effects the mind better since I’ve lived with and without it and felt a clear contrast.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You only have an idea of how it effected you. You cannot speak for anyone else.

Why do transmen not rape and beat people as much as much as men do?

What about transwomen pretransition? Are they violent?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do transmen not rape and beat people as much as much as men do?

According to prison statistics (USA and UK), crimes made by transmen are at around same percentage to 10000 of them as percentage of crimes made by natal women to 10000 of them (so lets say two in every 1000 women will theft and 2 in every 1000 transmen will theft, etc), and crimes are mostly the same (so almost no rape cases and violent attacks), while transwomen crimes are at same rate as natal man crimes. Only difference is that more transwomen seems to be rapists (twice as much as natal men in percentages to all men and all transwomen) - however, I am very suspicious here, as it seems that mostly it is done by male prisoners who were sitting in male prisons for rapes and magically decided to transition and get into women prison without any previous problems with their identity as a man - so most likely they are just abusing laws. Sorry for my English, I can't really explain it well, due to a lack of knowledge of the language, however, I think the idea is clear of what I wanted to say.

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I see exactly what you’re saying and tbh I wouldn’t have guessed English isn’t your first language. You use the language pretty damn masterfully.

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Why do transmen not rape and beat people as much as much as men do?

Hard to say, they tend to be smaller which makes it harder. Plus I already acknowledged socialization was part of the equation.

What about transwomen pretransition? Are they violent?

As I understand it we tend to have a lower tendency to violence pre transition but I don’t know how well based that is. At minimum no more than cis men at any rate. But I also think cis men would be less monstrous if their testosterone was suppressed to be fair.

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So nothing but your personal opinion and conjecture. No facts even close by once again.

Why should we take you seriously here?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Then don’t? You’ve never attempted to actually respect what I say anyway. Why start now?

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

You could try making a persuasive argument based on facts instead of just expecting your opinions to be treated as gospel.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But did you beat people? Not fight- beat.

Are transmen raping and beating people after they go on testosterone?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I would suggest that there isn’t a real difference between fighting and beating from a “is this violence” perspective.

As to the second, I don’t know.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There’s a huge difference and it’s a huge tell that you won’t answer the question lmao

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When it comes to whether it’s an act of violence there isn’t. It’s less cruel perhaps or more fair since in a fight the aggressor is getting hit as well but that’s more about circumstance that intention isn’t it?

And I didn’t answer the second because I don’t know. I don’t know much about trans men other than I support them as fellow trans people but fundamentally cannot understanding wanting to be masculine.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I swear the leaps your brain takes make no sense. You can pretend that people don’t know that transmen are not prone to rape and may get more aggressive but not abusive even tho someone literally answered this on this post.

I’m asking you if you had a tendency for fighting a person who actively fought you back, or if you just had a habit of beating the shit out of someone who did nothing but take the beating.

A fight is two (or more) people throwing blows, a beating is one person receiving the blows while one person (or more I suppose) throws them. So which did you do?

Intent is similar, tho beatings usually are done to people you know won’t/can’t fight back (see how fight back implies they are fighting?) why do you always skirt around direct questions? Did you fight people, or did you beat them?

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The the answer to your question is fighting people who fought back. Actually I used to goad other people into taking the first punch so it was less likely I would get in trouble. I would never have hurt someone who wouldn’t fight back, if for no other reason than it was as much about punishing myself than hurting anyone else.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sounds like that’s just how you were, and had nothing to do with testosterone, as a few people have addressed testosterone on this thread. Thank you for answering

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Males have basically evolved to be bad, or to have the potential to be violent. Testosterone increases strength and enables aggression, even if it may not necessarily cause aggression. If it were all socialization then why would patriarchy exist pretty much the world over in almost all cultures? The only answer is, imo, to get rid of the root cause, that being men.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Jeez, I don’t know what it is with you and Masks. I’ll never understand this kind of thing. Why can’t we just talk about men behaving better?

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I don’t trust that they can personally. Future generations with better socialization may have a shot But current socialization plus testosterone means I don’t trust cis men to be able to do better even if they wanted to.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Not all men are evil. You're thinking of the worst of the worst. There are far too many men like that, but the majority are not out there lawlessly attacking, beating, shooting, and raping others. If men couldn't control their violent tendencies, we'd have no civilization.

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They’re only kept in check by fear of the law or other men. I don’t like Hobbes generally but when I comes to men I can get behind the Leviathan theory. Not all men? Sure. But enough I can never trust them.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you look at little boys and think they're destined to become evil, or that they're already evil?

Every man started off as an innocent child. I understand there are problems with male behavior, but I don't think it's as dire as you make out. And women are not perfect angels. Women can do and have done evil things all on their own, without men's help.

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That absent extremely unusual upbringing (or unusual hormone condition) that they will be evil.

I’m not saying women are angels. I’m just saying I don’t assume they are evil.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's a sad way to look at the world, though. I can understand being jaded. Believe me, Reddit has made me way more cynical than I ever was before. But even assuming the worst case scenario, I still think about 20-30% of men are decent.

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Maybe but that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not saying you should take any chances with your personal safety, of course.

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They can't; not systemically, at least.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Destruction of the human species is a shit solution to a behavioural problem. Genocide is only ever an answer to actual hitler monsters. Let’s not even glance at that garbage, thanks.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Getting rid of" half the human population is not feasible even putting aside the obvious moral problems with it. It's hard to know really. I think it's a combination of nature and nurture. Patriarchy exists everywhere but it is not uniformly bad everywhere. Some societies are far more patriarchal than others. I have to believe we can reform our society to at least make it less patriarchal if not completely destroy gender. The alternative is just too depressing to think about. P.S. Glad you have checked out our new group. I missed talking to you. Hope things have been going better for you.

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Neat, someone dislikes men more than me.