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[–]catoborosnonbinary 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Much of human society is built on the "niceness" of women and their "willingness" to work for little or no pay.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

True. I've never understood why women stand for it. I guess early socialization really does a number on most of them.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Because of the repercussions..

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's just hard for me to understand on a personal level. I don't tolerate anyone crossing my boundaries.

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Then you’re one of very few who could tolerate ostracism and being black listed or described as a bigot by friends family and colleagues.
Or haven’t been emotionally abused into a relationship like that. Or haven’t been in a relationship where your partner transitions some ten years in.

The women are the victims here. Not just weak willed or something.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I wasn't talking about trans issues in particular. I was talking about women being socialized to be "nice" and let people step over their boundaries in all areas of life.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Which is kind of worse to be blasé about. Basically all women are socialised to be nice over being assertive and you’re phrasing it like it’s a choice.

Do you not know about women who are physically hurt if they don’t perform the role they’re given? Do you not realise that some women stand to lose hugely if they don’t perform the nice role? Do you believe all women can and should be prepared to be labelled as terrible mothers, have their custody of kids threatened, or lose a career, or have no friends, or lose everything because they’re a SAHM?

Idk how you couldn’t know about situations like that.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course I'm not blaming them. I just can't relate at all. I've never performed that role or felt forced to perform it. I don't recall anyone ever trying to get me to perform it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Obviously it does. I believe female socialization negatively affects the vast majority of women. I just have a deep aversion to people trying to step over my personal boundaries. Even if they tried, they would not succeed.

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Then you’re the one outlier who didn’t experience female socialisation despite being female.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I always said I believe I escaped most of female socialization, probably the worst parts. I recognize that I'm lucky in that respect.