GC: What is the best or most important thing trans people or transsexuals can do to help you?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Stop anything that even comes close to compelled speech, stop lying on legal documents, be clear that you’re trans outside of professional environments (I’m sorry- I think friends in addition to lovers have a right to know because it could change what people are comfortable talking to you about and other things- tbc, this doesn’t mean go up to a bartender in a bar and say “hi! I’m trans let me get a gin and tonic” it means in personal relationships people should have a right to know- I wold never speak to someone again if I confided in them thinking they were female and later found out they were not, for a few reasons) and leave women’s/female rights, sports, and spaces entirely alone. Also- any claims made publicly (whether it’s saying TW aren’t safe in men’s bathrooms, suicide rates, or even comparisons to intersex conditions etc) should be required to be cited and proven instead of just stated as if it’s fact.

And leave children alone to grow and develop naturally- no hormones no blockers no surgery- let them grow up and figure things out without being influenced.

Obligatory “not all trans people do these things”

Basically do what you gotta do for you but don’t force or drag anyone into participating unless they want to

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Also- any claims made publicly (whether it’s saying TW aren’t safe in men’s bathrooms, suicide rates, or even comparisons to intersex conditions etc) should be required to be cited and proven instead of just stated as if it’s fact.

You realize this is basically impossible ethically right?

Like in order to prove trans women were in danger, which we all already know, we would have to purposefully put them to harm. Trans women don’t use men’s rooms because we all know it isn’t safe.

[–]DistantGlimmer 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If transwomen are made unsafe sharing spaces with males then why exactly is there no danger with having transwomen in women's spaces? I know you at least acknowledge transwomen are male so how are transwomen different from other males in regards to danger? Most seem to just accept that transwomen do not pose the same threat of violence as other males do but no proof is ever offered that transwomen undergo different socialization than other males (remember many go through an entire childhood at least before they start transitioning so why the difference?).

As LoveSloane said above. More fact-based assertions and less suppositions based on wishful thinking would be good.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s a much better way to word it

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If transwomen are made unsafe sharing spaces with males then why exactly is there no danger with having transwomen in women's spaces? I know you at least acknowledge transwomen are male so how are transwomen different from other males in regards to danger?

Trans women are less physically capable of harm than men as well as being less violent.

https://www.transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

That is the comments of if of the authors of the infamous Swedish study. Of note:

This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality.

[–]DistantGlimmer 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is one study with very small sample size. I think there are issues with using a small study like that to "prove" anything either on the TRA or GC side. I am looking for an explanation of why males would be less violent just because they self-identified as transgender. Transwomen may be less physically strong than the statistically strongest men but they are still certainly physically capable of violence against women and girls.

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It’s the best study available.