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[–]catoborosnonbinary 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There is no technology to give trans women female reproductive organs; surgeons can only craft a neovagina. Vaginoplasty is dangerous, painful, and expensive. Most trans women get enough bodily changes to get by with oestrogen alone. I do not think this makes them nonbinary.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then what the difference, if in everything, but how they call themselves and severity of dysphoria, those two categories are identical? Only in the way they want everyone else to perceive them?

[–]catoborosnonbinary 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I would say that the entire difference is gender identity: how someone perceives themself. Likewise gender identity is the only difference between a trans woman and a cis man. The reverse problem also arises with effeminate men who can be mistaken for women.

Only in the way they want everyone else to perceive them?

And here you have the core of the problem: not gender identity, but one's wish to change the way in which one is treated in our gendered society, and in which gendered spaces one is accepted. This can apply to all people, both cis and trans. Gender expression is a performance indicating which gendered space into which one would like to be accepted. How different would our lives be if we had no gender segregation and did not care so much what others thought of us?

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The reverse problem also arises with effeminate men who can be mistaken for women.

I am one of such men.

gender segregation

It exist to protect women and to give women ability of fair sports.

Gender expression is a performance indicating which gendered space into which one would like to be accepted

That is reinforcing gender stereotypes, as effeminate man I am against such thing and all about abolishing gender stereotypes all together. That is why I am with gender critical feminists - as they are supporting men in dresses and effeminate men being men, while QT theory is the opposite (few transwomen already called me to "you should be taking estrogen as you are effimate and collecting dolls" in GC subreddit and even subsaidit).