QT/All: Why exactly should we accept non-binary people and validate their identity?

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[–]slushpilot 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is such a key point that it warrants highlighting. +100.

actual diagnosed dysphoria related to their body (NOT to gender roles because you do not fix social issues with medical intervention)

That is also the same issue I have with so-called "non-binary". This identity isn't based in anything more than superficial clothes, make-up and silly pronouns. You could already do those things without expecting everyone to address you as a unique category.

Again, if you're legitimately intersex, then I'll accept that! But we know everyone is just playing dress-up and expecting us to pretend it's something more—it's such an embarrassing fad.

[–]IceColdLover[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I take the transmedicalist "truscum" view of who is trans. Discontent with societal gender roles and mere desires to be the opposite sex because of them are both entirely irrelevant to me and do not compel me that your self-ID should be validated.

If someone does not have dysphoria, then their discontent when I refuse to validate their feelings is an issue that can be fixed through therapy and evaluation for narcissistic personality disorder, and threats of suicide are nothing more than mental manipulation.

If you have a mentally pressing, immutable feeling that your body should be that of the opposite sex and it causes you to be so discontent with continuing to live as your birth sex that you feel an immediate need to transition otherwise an inability to go on, you are trans and I will respect your pronouns, chosen name, etc. out of compassion.

[–]slushpilot 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right—but to your point, "non-binary" isn't even "trans". I don't think there is a "transmed" argument for non-binary unless we mean intersex.

Or else, what is this "non-binary dysphoria" and what is it rooted in.

[–]IceColdLover[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are right which is why I do not support it. I do not support people who have a pathological need for attention and being "special" and trying to force me to validate their need to be special and unique. I think "non-binary" is the result of various sociopolitical forces:

  1. The "everyone is special in his or her own way!" participation trophy mentality pushed by this generation's parents and the need to feel special and unique

  2. People who are gender-nonconforming who are correct in recognizing the oppressiveness of gender roles but have mistakenly conflated being GNC with being another gender altogether

  3. Western identity politics and the desire to find some way in which one is "oppressed" because of the social currency it provides to people on the political Left

  4. Mental disorders such as narcissistic personality disorder and a pathological need for attention and being centered and validated.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

participation trophy mentality pushed by this generation's parents and the need to feel special and unique

Well, everyone is special and unique. But that is not what they are doing, they are doing "Everyone is special and unique, including me, so everyone else must know how special and unique I am (or "my kid is")".