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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Asking this because often times GC is told that “most women don’t mind when -insert something they in my experience aside from online almost everyone woman/girl I know does mind-. But I keep hearing that the approval rate for trans people is declining. I guess I’m asking for statistics or links to show what’s most accurate.

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it has mostly to do with two things. First thing is that homophobia levels are rapidly raising up (especially in left-wing or progressive circles, so both conservatives and progressives are becoming very homophobic). Gender ideology in it's core is allowing homophobia to have solid ground on both sides. People often seeing transgenders as "weird gays", so this affects transgender people strongly. In nearby Russia, for example, transwomen are shown as "all gays are like that and just cross-dressers" on television and news propaganda, and it is aimed against gay men there, not against transgenders at all. And second thing is that a lot of trans activists and especially trans allies are very hostile, violent and agressive - society almost always answers with agression towards agression. I was a witness of a situation, when trans ally said to woman that she must be raped if she is not supporting transwomen in women toilets, and her husband instantly crushed the face of that trans ally with few strong hits (I think he broke him nose there). Agression only creates even more agression - because if someone agressive towards you, it is instinctive reaction to defend yourself. I think there should be more famous transgender people who are denouncing violence of allies as something bad, and not just be silent like it not happened at all.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think for world wide this could have a lot to do with it, but this poll was solely in America. It’s been my experience (not everyone’s, just mine) that even if some people lump trans people with lgb and write them off as “weird gays”, most just leave them alone and want to be left alone by them. Is that homophobic? Yeah, I’d say. But it doesn’t explain why the rate of acceptance has dropped each year or leveled at the lower rate, not increased, for the past few years.

As for the aggression and hostility- I do believe that that, in addition to many other issues, contributes to the decline. I agree that visible and known trans people need to call out allies- they also need to call out other trans people when they take things to far, and they often need to be called out themselves.

[–]SilverSlippers 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It seems like they've lumped many groups in their poll. It would have been more useful if their questions were more specific, i.e. "How would you react if your friend told you that they were trans" vs "How would you react if your friend told you they were gay".

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that’s the problem. LGB gets lumped with T (which is what T wants and needs), everyone suffers.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Everyone in my carefully curated social group agrees that TWAW/TMAM meaning everyone I know agrees with TRA.”

Everyone knows who’s really who and doesny make a scene unless they’re super weird or it’s called for.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel like what LGBTQ means to people is changing (the acronym too). Years back, it was mostly about gay and lesbians and obvious equal rights on things like marriage. Now, I feel like many straight people are just confused by it and not really sure what it’s about anymore. The trans stuff being put at the center and things like self-identity and pronouns being emphasized so much is turning people off I feel like.

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I still don't really understand what "queer" means other than a slur. Like what exactly does it mean when a straight person says they're queer? Seems kind of like appropriation to me and why stuff like not only trans but asexual and intersex are included when they don't even seem remotely similar to being same-sex attracted.

It almost seems like they won on the main gay rights issues so now are just looking for other groups to include to justify their continued existence as a movement

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Queer” feels like a slur to me because that how I experienced it as a child. I feel like it’s very much appropriation for straight people and doesn’t respect the weight of that word to people who didn’t have a choice about being labeled that. It would even be wrong for present day me to use it that way because I don’t really face any challenges around my sexuality or expression.

I don’t understand including everything that is included. I feel like when the T was first included it was a different time when most trans people were same-sex attracted and came from those communities.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This year, the significant erosion is being driven by females ages 18-34, where comfort levels fell from 64% last year to 52% this year.

I think we all know why, but this organization would never dream of seriously exploring the cause. They lump all of LGBT together, when everyone can tell the LGB side of things is not what's triggering the decline.

[–]DistantGlimmer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I worry there may be a backlash against LGB people in fact because the groups are lumped together with the T by people who do not follow the issue closely.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I also feel sorry for the trans people out there who are trying to live their lives quietly and now have to deal with their community being hijacked by what are basically extremists.

I wonder if it might be beneficial for them to found some sort of organization. There's power in numbers, and they're in a position to speak out and actually be listened to.

[–]DistantGlimmer 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I think it was bad for them when it changed from transsexuals to the very poorly defined "transgender umbrella" which includes a huge variety of people and the transsexuals became very outnumbered. Hopefully, they can take their movement back somehow (as the people without dysphoria seems to be the ones who cause most of the issues with women anyway regardless).