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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Under the gatekeeping in that world, you probably wouldn' t have counted as someone eligible for medical transition. So sure, the surgery would have costed less/nothing, but you wouldn' t have been allowed to get it anyway.

That’s a pretty bold claim. I had noted persistent body dysphoria to a medically significant level of distress, a certainty in identity. The only problem is I don’t pass and couldn’t which some of the old doctors would have denied transition under but that’s well gone the wayside.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don' t doubt that you have body dysphoria. What I meant is that the gatekeeping I would allow would require for no social dysphoria as well. In short, only people with only body dysphoria would be allowed to get the surgery/hormones. Because if the problem is that you hate your body, then it makes sense that you find a way to change it (I disagree that it' s a good way to go, but I can see why certain people would and I would accept it), but if you hate the social status you have, then allowing medical procedures to fit in better is unethical and regressive.

I would also require a way to prove that it' s an objective diagnosis, which means that psychological evaluation would probably not be enough.

As far as I remember, you have always stated that one of the biggest reasons you want to be considered a woman is that you hate the category of men and don' t want to be associated with it: that would be considered a social issue and would work against you in gaining the possibility of medically transitioning.

That' s why I said I would prefer for it to be considered a cosmetic surgery and that the number of people allowed to transition would be higher in that case: I think it' s pretty impossible to find a person who only has body dysphoria and wasn' t affected by society/sex roles/stereotypes/socialization. That would mean that virtually no person would be allowed to transition, you included.

On the other hand, as I said, cosmetic surgery would eventually drop its prices, allowing way more people to get it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That makes no sense. I could see social dysphoria as insufficient but having it as a bar makes no sense. It would be like saying a depressed person couldn’t have antidepressants because they also had an eating disorder.

Either way your proposal would leave most trans people completely unable to access transition. Let’s say bottom surgery drops 2/3 in price. How many trans women do you think can scratch up 10k? I know of none. I know I couldn’t.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That seems like an excessively high bar to me, too.

I think physical dysphoria should be a requirement, but social dysphoria should not be a disqualifier. Of course, in my ideal world, all trans people would be entitled to extensive therapy, free of charge, to help them examine what they feel might be causing those issues. If therapy helps to eradicate their social dysphoria, then obviously that's a good outcome. But if both types of dysphoria are still persisting and are severe enough to interfere with the ability to live a normal life, then transition should come up as an option.