GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think it would go back to the way things were 30 years ago, minus the horrific discrimination. Trans people would be protected on the basis of their gender nonconformity and spaces would be set aside to make sure they weren't endangered. It seems to me that what the majority of GC is most upset about is the forcible claiming of women's single-sex spaces and many trans women's assertions that they are entitled to female-only categories. Without that, I don't think there would ever have been any animosity between natal women and trans women. GC is a more of a reaction to the current climate. More of a defense than an offense, in sports terms.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I hope that would be true. I worry now that passing transsexuals quietly using women’s or men’s spaces wouldn’t be acceptable anymore even though it was 30 years ago (or at least not being fought because maybe there was no attention drawn to it or awareness). Do you think that GC would be alright returning to that or would we be violating a boundary to continue to live that way?

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think passing transsexuals are really on anyone's list of people to be concerned about. If no one can tell, they blend in and can live under the radar. It seems to me that most GC women are more concerned about the ability to call out interlopers in female spaces. If someone is acting suspicious and was obviously born male, they want the right to complain and have that person removed from the space. Passing trans women would be safe.

As far as trans men are concerned, to be honest, they seem like kind of an afterthought for both sides. No one cares much what trans men do. They're no danger to natal males and also no danger to fellow natal females. If anything, the GC crowd would be more inclined to want to protect them from entering violent male spaces like prisons, although God knows I think the vast majority of trans men have enough sense to know it's not safe for them there regardless.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope you’re right!

As far as trans men are concerned, to be honest, they seem like kind of an afterthought for both sides. No one cares much what trans men do.

Absolutely! I feel like on the TRA side, transmen are always the ones used for the lawsuits over bathrooms, but like basically ignored otherwise. GC doesn’t care about transmen because they don’t care about men’s spaces and men don’t care because they aren’t any physical threat. In always try to include transmen when I talk about trans experiences, but I realize that no one really cares.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's weird because I'm more drawn to talking about trans men than I am about trans women. Probably because I'm a GNC female person. I understand the concerns GC has about trans women, but to be honest, none of those things affect me personally. I'm not a lesbian, so I don't run into cotton ceiling rhetoric. I'm also very comfortable with coed nudity, so public restrooms and locker rooms aren't an issue for me.