GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]IceColdLover 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Similarly if you hate men because men are terrible and the tropes associated with them disgust you, the last thing to do is say "you are right those tropes are legitimate, so if you don' t like them you should totally get invasive surgery and voilà!!!!!! Problem solved!!!!". Not gonna happen.

It is noteworthy that trans people often say they are not placing men and women into stereotypical boxes, but it almost invariably boils down to having some preconceived notion, on their part, of what "men" and "women" are as discrete, non-overlapping social categories based on sex stereotypes, and wanting to opt out of the one assigned to them. And I agree with them, no one should have to be part of a social category based on sex stereotypes, those should not exist at all.

In my world, "men" and "women" are medical categories based on biological sex alone which determine nothing more than who can access which spaces. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want this world unless they get some sort of thrill from dressing as/being viewed as the other sex.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, I agree. It' s almost always about enforcing dangerous and toxic sex based roles and stereotypes.

If I am in charge, I am not going to include that in the gatekeeping. It just makes the social issues worse, and that' s the last thing we should do.

Of course I can' t dictate, nor I want to dictate, how people think, speak and behave, so if anyone wants to enforce that crap they are free to do it. But that' s not the same as making an official and legal statement about how the aformentioned crap is the true way and anyone who disagrees with it is entitled to surgery.

A woman who wants to transition because "women are weak and listen how much I roar" is just saying that women cannot be strong and that the only possible thing to do is to pretend she' s a man. Because men are strong!!! Yeah, no GCer would accept it and facilitate it.

[–]IceColdLover 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you entirely. If others want to follow gender roles have at it, but the legal recognition of adherence or lack thereof as the cornerstone of a separate identity which we are all legally bound to accept and embrace, is something I see as an infringement on women's rights.