GC: If GC achieves it’s goal around trans issues, what happens to trans people?

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[–]IceColdLover 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

We don’t have any systemic power. At best we’ve fostered enough sympathy that people feel bad enough to generally support us but it isn’t about power. Because that could change in sympathies of the people who have power.

You have fostered enough sympathy amongst people with systematic power, but the impact of this is that it is being forced from the top down on everyone else. What this means is that the VAST majority of women, and men for that matter do not consider you a woman in any meaningful way but are being forced to say they do because of threat to their livelihood. I was about to ask if this makes you feel wrong in any way for suppressing others' speech and forcing them to lie but then I realized of course not.

There is nothing I consider more an insult than being called a man.

If that is the worst thing someone could call you then what you really need isn't estrogen, it is therapy. I would suspect that men have mistreated you in ways that have traumatized you and you need closure, or there is something else going on mentally. I am saying this out of compassion.

I would call you a trans woman, not a woman. If that isn't good enough for trans women in general well it's the most I am willing to bend.

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What this means is that the VAST majority of women, and men for that matter do not consider you a woman in any meaningful way but are being forced to say they do because of threat to their livelihood.

I don’t think that’s true. The majority of people are okay with us. Though a substantial minority aren’t. Hence the need for protections.

If that is the worst thing someone could call you then what you really need isn't estrogen, it is therapy.

Where do you all get the idea that we don’t get therapy before and during transition?

I would suspect that men have mistreated you in ways that have traumatized you

I mean you aren’t wrong but that’s not surprising. Because men are as a group evil. There’s a reason I can never be comfortable alone with a cis man.

I don’t mind being called a trans woman as long as the implication isn’t that I’m a man.

[–]IceColdLover 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t think that’s true. The majority of people are okay with us. Though a substantial minority aren’t. Hence the need for protections.

I am "okay" with trans women as in I respect your dignity as a human being and I would be kind to you if you are kind to me. I just don't consider you a woman.

I mean you aren’t wrong but that’s not surprising. Because men are as a group evil. There’s a reason I can never be comfortable alone with a cis man. I don’t mind being called a trans woman as long as the implication isn’t that I’m a man.

As mentioned above I am fine with acknowledging you as a third category, not a man but also not a woman. I think "trans" should be a separate category altogether, and I don't even have an issue using "she" and "her" (as long as it is not legally mandated) but I don't consider you a woman. A trans woman, yes, not a woman.