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[–]DistantGlimmer 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Gender identity ideology reinforces gender stereotypes. If you believe most people identify with a set of gender roles I think people, especially younger people want a way to express that they don't. Neither gender stereotype is attractive to most people. I think we should be pushing the message that "everybody is non-binary" which is just a rephrasing of encouraging people to reject gender roles but it's hard when the dominant ideology right now contradicts that. It's one of the things that makes the whole idea of gender identity so harmful and wrong.

[–]IceColdLover[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know why we don't get rid of gender roles entirely, if we did then this entire discussion would be a moot point because there would be no standards. There would still be trans people who feel physical dysphoria around their biological sex, but that is not GENDER dysphoria it is SEX dysphoria, which in my opinion is really what being trans is all about.

[–]DistantGlimmer 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree and we were making moves in that direction before this ideology took over which was probably even a better alternative from the point of view from transsexuals with sex dysphoria. It almost seems like some people in powerful positions kind of like gender roles (or just want to look socially progressive without doing much of anything to address economic inequality).

[–]catoborosnonbinary 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think gender roles emerged from sex differences. Now people perform them to advertise their reproductive fitness. Evolutionary biology. I think eradicating gender roles is an uphill battle. Might as well complain about gravity. Instead, embrace acceptance of gender nonconformity so that individuals can lead their lives unconstrained by gender roles.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In different countries they are still different, and in different ages. Some years ago high heels and leggins were men only and women were not wearing them and not allowed to wear them. And few centuries earlier (and even nowadays in some countries and communities) dress-like clothing was mostly men-only as well. Even as far as just 30 years ago in my country some traits which are now considered as "feminine" were considered as "masculitne".

Almost always gender roles were pushed on women as form of sexism and because women literally had no rights at all and were forced to look, act or do what they were said. In many countries it is still like that, more than half of women population of the world are still living like that, without rights and with enforced rules of femininity on them (or rules on hiding femininity with burqas and such), while men at same time can be anything (except what is considered feminine by that society) and are changing what "masculine" is whenever they like. In many western countries women get out of this only 30-50 years ago. And just 20 years ago women finally got rights to look whatever - and now gender/queer theory saying again that women must act, look and behave in some ways, otherwise they are not women anymore but non-binaries or transmen. All our hard won autonomy is again under the pressure and questioned.