So I came across this online, comparing trans ideology and some of the go to comments to religion. Just thought it was interesting. May be bothersome, if I’m being honest.

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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The same can be written up for any movement. Just a few examples:

Heritic equals handmaid Male is the new original sin Autogynophilia is the new degenerecy

Its tribalism you'll find in any movement.

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The difference is that GC doesn’t say those things or make comments like that- QT and TRA’s do.

We don’t equate heretic with handmaid male (a term that doesn’t even make sense) and it doesn’t make sense to say it’s the new original sin. But even if it did, we don’t condemn or threaten these “handmaid males” for not sharing our beliefs. GC would say they have bought the ideology and don’t know better, maybe debate with them. That’s about it. GC would also say that agp is a fetish, not degeneracy. But even if we said it was degeneracy, we don’t force agp’s to not transition or speak a certain way. GC doesn’t turn gender into a religion that everyone must follow. There may be upsetting statements made- it’s not a cult-like atmosphere where everyone is forced to believe the same things and speak the same way or be punished.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The formating got screwed up. Handmaid, male. Tried to make a list but it seems saidit doesn't like that. So sorry.

You don't, but you call them "dangerous", "poison" or "parasites" and I only have to quote one prominent UK GC feminist. Maybe the Christianity comparison is lacking, but language of disgust is used by many cluts and cult like organizations.

Why does GC advocate for therapy instead of transition then? Or am I just mistaken here? Also making the bar to transition unreasonably high is pretty much the same.

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Link to comments where Sloane calls trans people dangerous poisonous parasites? Unless you’re expecting Sloane to account for another individuals words, in which case you call women smelly fishy bleeder hysterical birthers, please account for this.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Omg your flair! Lmao

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It’s still the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Cackled like an actual witch for ages lmao!

[–]MezozoicGaygay male 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is because of this conversation, I think: https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/6ebv/_/p0yg?context=3

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not referring to Sloane. I'm referring to to the GC movement and how parallels to religion can be drawn based on GC speeches as well. My comment made that quite clear.

If you want receipts look up Sheila Jeffrey's.

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If Sloane is to answer for all people who call themselves gc, could you please answer for John yaniv?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't expect her to answer for the GC movement. Just for how parrales to religion can be found in GC as well as QT. For that I quoted Sheila Jeffreys.

I wasn't aware Yaniv had enough influence to speak infront of legislative bodies? Sorry but Jeffreys isn't anyone.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think you should be able to quote more than one person to say this is a GC thing. The reason what I posted works is because these are said by many QT/TRA’s, and often. One person is not enough to claim we do the same. GC advocates for therapy because it is so obvious that therapy- like extensive deep therapy not gender affirming therapy- is needed for so many QT. The bar should be high, for a lot of reasons imo. But that’s not comparable to what my post is comparing and should maybe be it’s own post or something. GC (some) advocating for therapy over transitioning has Nothing to do with religious comparison. The reasons it’s advocated for are plentiful, don’t see how it relates to this tho

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Also, male is not comparable to original sin, it’s just not and can’t ever be female. The value on male vs female comes more from your side, GC just says they are different and one should not infringe on the rights of the other. It’s not saying being male is bad or negative (something quite a few QT here will argue quite frequently).

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? Even if that person is influencial enough to speak infront of legislative bodies? I'm not quoting some random Twitter argument here.

I would like to bring receipts for the therapy thing, but the GC subreddits got deleted, so I'm not sure where to get them. And ovarit isn't a website I visit regularly. Maybe my impression of the GC movement is tainted by the old GCdebatesQT crowd. But having been there for I think 3 years I doubt it.