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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is the difference? Visually speaking, a pre-everything trans man and a butch lesbian are indistinguishable.

Yea but a trans men may opt for more medical intervention to look more manly. Also, butches don't have beards.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

May, but according to most of QT, they don't necessarily have to. What if they're not on testosterone yet or don't even want to go on testosterone?

There's no visual difference between the two otherwise. Both butch women and trans men wear men's clothes and have men's haircuts.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes but a butch woman isn't willing to go past a certain extent. Butch women have shorter limits.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, some butch women do get mastectomies and go on low-dose T.

If the mark of being a trans man is willingness to go "all the way," what about those trans men who don't want to?