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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I consider trans men men. Whether society as a whole would or not. Only seems fair. I consider myself a women even though I don’t pass, it would be pretty inconsistent to not extend that to others.

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, but you've taken steps to medically transition. If someone doesn't do that, how are they different from any other nonconforming member of their natal sex? They don't have either the biological or the social experience of the opposite sex.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It may just come down to me being sympathetic to medical circumstances that prevent transition honestly.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Makes sense. I can understand calling them trans in that case, but I don't see how they have a credible claim to actual manhood or womanhood.