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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Again I don’t want to speak for trans men.

To me if a physically dysphoric (male) wanted to transition but couldn’t Due to say medical contraindication for stroke risk, I would probably include them in trans women. I would tend to apply the same to trans men but I don’t Want to speak for a group im not part of.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Would you still consider them men, though, or just trans men?

If they can't have a male social experience or be taken for men by society, then society is going to treat them the same way they'd treat a gender nonconforming woman.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I consider trans men men. Whether society as a whole would or not. Only seems fair. I consider myself a women even though I don’t pass, it would be pretty inconsistent to not extend that to others.

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, but you've taken steps to medically transition. If someone doesn't do that, how are they different from any other nonconforming member of their natal sex? They don't have either the biological or the social experience of the opposite sex.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It may just come down to me being sympathetic to medical circumstances that prevent transition honestly.

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Makes sense. I can understand calling them trans in that case, but I don't see how they have a credible claim to actual manhood or womanhood.