Feminism being all inclusive

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[–]yishengqingwa666 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Feminism is for females. Only girls and women. It is for the liberation of girls and women from male patriarchy, not "equality" with men. It is not for men, and men cannot be feminists.

https://radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com/radfem-101/

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Why shouldn't women have equality with men?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I can’t tell if you truly don’t understand or if you’re pretending?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I really don't understand. I thought feminism was about women having equal rights with men, like the right to vote, getting paid the same as men, being respected in STEM fields the same as men, etc.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It is. I’m thinking you’re missing the point of what we’re saying.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Maybe I am. I am learning disabled. When I fight in the disability rights movement, I fight so disabled children aren't segregated into separate classrooms, so disabled people don't have their kids taken away on the sole basis of being disabled, to end workplace discrimination, accessible housing, not to "liberate" disabled people from abled people.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That is exactly liberating the disabled from the abled. A campaign to prevent the abled community from controlling or discriminating against the disabled is liberation.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Well I never thought of it that way! Thank you for the perspective.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No problem. Now if we apply that same perspective to feminism, do you see why we say feminism is for women?

For liberating women from the men and the gender roles used to control and discriminate against specifically people who are female? That’s what is meant when we say feminism is not for men.

It’s not about excluding males, it’s simply not focussed on them, which to those who have always been the focus when it comes to social matters, feels like exclusion.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Though some branches of feminism do focus their advocacy on other groups, like Bell Hooks feminism and everydayfeminism.com.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I understand that. What I’m trying to say is that I do believe that everyone should be supportive of feminism- but feminism should be about and focused on the female sex. It’s not about separation, it’s about understanding that feminism should be focused on the equality and safety of females, not everyone. I guess my issue with the “feminism is for everyone” thing is that they don’t all seem to think it means “everyone should support female rights”. It usually ends up meaning that “feminism” is used for everyone and everything and the focus gets taken off of who it was meant for. It sounds like you lean more towards what I’m saying, but I believe that most people don’t use that phrase (feminism is for everyone) in the way that you seem to be using it (which sounds like what I’m saying). Like- feminism is not for everyone, but everyone should be a feminist or an ally, if that makes sense.