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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So how are transwomen women except via sexist understandings of womanhood?

Does passing make a transwoman a woman somehow?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your questions seem strange to me. It seems like the prerequisite for these is that any understanding of womanhood, even one based in sex, is sexist as long is it exists on a social level. Unfortunately it's impossible to eliminate the social level.

Yes it does. Not biologically mind you, but socially.

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No, I’m just confused. Isn’t any understanding of man and woman not based purely on sex sexism?

Surely we can eliminate garbage ideas like women are anything other than adult human females.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How? Patterns exist. You can eliminate the harmful mindset that is sexism but not the pattern.

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How much of the pattern will remain without the mindset? How much of those patterns are influenced by gendered socialisation? How many are inherent?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

None are inherent. All of them are currently influenced by gendered society. But would they die down if this external influence ceased? I don't think so. Trends would still exist. Take a big group of people and you'll always see a pattern.

We might not be able to predict what this pattern looks like, but its quite certain that it would exist. Or do you think that everything would be more or less homogeneous?

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No idea but I doubt anyone would still be claiming skirts are more female.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. As I said. I doubt the patterns would be the same. But I'm more or less certain theyll exist. And if they do, then they can be used for passing. Not to mention the obvious biological differences between male and female which will stay the same.