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[–]transwomanHesitantly QT? 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think trans women must conform to some arbitrary state of femininity to be women, nor do I care if they conform to femininity so long as they are not saying they are women because of their conformity or claiming women must be feminine to be women (which, unfortunately, seems to be what many trans people are arguing).

Culturally speaking, we live under a societal structure where women are defined by femininity. I'd like to dismantle these gendered associations. Even with the elimination of these gendered associations, I don't think trans people are magically going away. While I do believe much of gender dysphoria is a product of being socialized in a gendered society (especially the aspects related to gender expression), I also support the notion there is a biological basis for the aspects of gender dysphoria related to distress around physiological characteristics.

At the end of the day, a world where a person chooses their gender based on their own sense of identity is far more ideal than the one we currently live in, where females are heavily conditioned in femininity regardless of their identity or their preferred gender expression. This doesn't mean we should have self identification laws (disagree with those absolutely - they should be based on sex), just that a person's gender (socially speaking) should simply be based on what they decide for themselves rather than some arbitrary characteristic of socialization.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is well said. I agree. I don't think it would be as much of a problem for people to want to identify as something that wasn't supported by their biology in a world without gender and gender socialization. A lot of the problems are caused by realities of stuff like male violence rates under patriarchy but I'm skeptical that things like self- ID are actually breaking down gender norms.

I agree that trans people would probably still exist as dysphoria and other reasons some people feel "trans" are not just going to vanish although they may lessen if people have less pressure to follow gender roles or better these vanish entirely