QT but all can comment - How would you refute the argument that The phrase "transwomen are women" presupposes that there is a cultural role for women to fill?

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[–]IceColdLover 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can't refute it because it is true.

Apart from:

1) people with gender dysphoria, which should really be seen as a mental illness that leads to false perceptions much like schizophrenia and various eating disorders, where you could say some men view themselves as women for reasons entirely out of their control, and 2) people with autogynephilia, and for whom presentation as a woman is due to fulfilling a sexual fetish,

many trans women cite their reasons for "feeling" like a woman by referencing cultural norms and gender roles assigned to women that they wish to fulfill more than those assigned to men, for instance preferring dolls over action figures, relating more to girls and women as friends, feeling they are "too feminine" to be men, not wanting to play combat sports, wanting to wear dresses and heels, and so on. These all relate to cultural roles of women and of men.

[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, they deny this all the time but you need some idea of what a woman is to be able to identify as one and it pretty much has to be based on these stereotypes if it's going to include people who aren't female.