QT/Trans/TRA - What reciprocal courtesy or labor do you extend to GC who will honor your pronouns? (but everyone can comment)

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[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

So? Your personal feelings aren’t universal.

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I never claimed they were, but insults have a subjective element.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Meaning that something can be used in a way that’s not intended to be insulting. Like calling males men because that’s what man means to us.

So we aren’t calling transwomen names to be mean. Transwomen are feeling hurt about being accurately identified as their sex.

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It’s an insult to nearly every trans woman. Whether you “intend” it to be or not. You know that. You’ve been repeatedly informed of precisely that. In using it any way you are actively choosing to insult them. At best it is choosing to knowingly insult us and choosing to disregard potential hurt. You can’t get around that.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

so women should accept the insult of being forced by males to call males women, because why? male feelings matter more? Males are more hurt than women are?

This is the part you keep avoiding. Calling males women is a dire insult to me. Why does this insult matter less than one you perceive?

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I never said you have to do anything or accept anything. I said it’s an insult to call us men. In this very thread I said I had no objection to neutral address.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Which ignores women’s feelings about compelled speech. So basically, yes, male feelings matter more than women’s feelings on this issue to you.

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It’s literally the opposite of compelled speech since I have asked you not to say something, provided neutral alternatives, and states you are free to say it anyway but you need to know it’s an insult. It is not in any way a restriction on speech or feelings.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

We aren’t talking about just talking to you. I’m talking about women’s ability to freely id males as males and not women in general, not directed at you personally. 🙄

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No one is stopping you from denying the humanity of trans women, but we are allowed to tell you how insulting and hateful it is.

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I never claimed they were, but insults have a subjective element.