QT/Trans/TRA - What reciprocal courtesy or labor do you extend to GC who will honor your pronouns? (but everyone can comment)

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

A healthy consensus of trans women would agree trans women aren’t men at least . I personally do consider myself male (but not a man )while many trans women wouldn’t.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

But you’ll speak for and over those who don’t. A healthy consensus of everyone else would agree that male and man are the same. That consensus would be far larger. Why are we all wrong about not sharing your subjective belief system?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

You don’t have to share our beliefs to not insult us. Just because a straight person might not consider fag an insult to gay people, just a discriptor. But that doesn’t mean gay men need to have friendly discourse with someone calling them a fag.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Terms like “fag” are not descriptors. Man and male are. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I would be just as offended by being called either.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

So? Your personal feelings aren’t universal.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

I never claimed they were, but insults have a subjective element.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Meaning that something can be used in a way that’s not intended to be insulting. Like calling males men because that’s what man means to us.

So we aren’t calling transwomen names to be mean. Transwomen are feeling hurt about being accurately identified as their sex.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

It’s an insult to nearly every trans woman. Whether you “intend” it to be or not. You know that. You’ve been repeatedly informed of precisely that. In using it any way you are actively choosing to insult them. At best it is choosing to knowingly insult us and choosing to disregard potential hurt. You can’t get around that.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

so women should accept the insult of being forced by males to call males women, because why? male feelings matter more? Males are more hurt than women are?

This is the part you keep avoiding. Calling males women is a dire insult to me. Why does this insult matter less than one you perceive?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I never claimed they were, but insults have a subjective element.