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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

I changed from t*rf to GC which is honestly really comparable in terms of effort aka not a lot after a while. I also adopt other terms like natal instead of cis when talking to GC individuals. If you think that using correct pronouns is as degrading as kotowing to an extremist cult, then you should probably just avoid interacting with trans people all together.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What about a compromise pronoun like "they?"

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I personally don't consider they a compromise. I mean using it for unknowns sure, but else you should use preferred ones.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So if someone has an objection to that, they should just avoid ever speaking to trans people? That seems unduly restrictive.

I personally would use a preferred pronoun for anyone who is an adult and not a criminal (not a high bar), but some GC people have philosophical objections. I guess they could avoid pronouns entirely, but that's awkward. I suppose it could be done if needed, though.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I personally don't consider it restrictive to avoid people you can't adress respectfully. That's a self imposed restriction after all.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Since when is "they" disrespectful? It's supposed to be a neutral pronoun. Are you arguing people should be forced to call that J-person up in Canada "she?"

You can't always avoid talking to or about people in real life.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not more of less disrespectful than he or she. If you know the person isn't going be they and you use it anyways then there's no difference. If you don't it's another story but I think I said that already.

Sure. But if you can't talk to them respectfully without betraying your ideals then the logical step is to avoid them as much as possible. I personally swallow my pride when I have to interact, but not everyone does that.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not saying I personally have a problem with it. But the idea that certain speech must be compelled otherwise you're not being respectful bothers me.

I suppose if I was in a scenario where a person who was acting in bad faith was demanding certain pronouns, I would extract myself from the situation if possible. If I could not extract myself, like at work, I would bend over backwards to avoid using any pronoun at all.