QT/Trans/TRA - What reciprocal courtesy or labor do you extend to GC who will honor your pronouns? (but everyone can comment)

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

There’s a difference between defining the value of an insult by the victim and defining it by the user. You see that yes?

I’m not insulted by they. Some trans women may be but the general understanding it isn’t an insult to call a trans woman “they”

However everyone knows,You included, That Nearly all trans women would be hurt and insulted by being called he. Whether something is insulting has to be determined by the person the insult is targeting, not the values of the user.

That is what you say because it' s beneficial to you.

That’s what I say because they is an established English term for an person of neutral or unknown gender. It’s not a new use.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There’s a difference between defining the value of an insult by the victim and defining it by the user. You see that yes?

Awesome: I consider it insulting when someone wants to control the way I speak and wants me to use words in a way I don' t support.

Explain to me how you feeling insulted should take precedence over me feeling insulted.

That’s what I say because they is an established English term for an person of neutral or unknown gender. It’s not a new use.

You don' t have a neutral or unknown gender. So the term doesn' t apply to you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I haven’t asked to do anything but not call me a man. I’ve even presented you with neutral options. If you can’t have the basic courtesy of not openly and knowingly insulting me, just don’t talk to me. Nothing active need be done. Just leave trans people alone and it’s a non issue.

They is a neutral singular. It’s been in common vernacular for literally centuries. Enbies can have it too , but it’s not exclusive.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I haven’t asked to do anything but not call me a man. I’ve even presented you with neutral options.

And I have already explained to you that your feelings on the matter are not superior to anyone else' s. And that your neutral options are not neutral at all.

If you can’t have the basic courtesy of not openly and knowingly insulting me

Answer the question: why is it that you asking things and me refusing is me "not having basic decency", but me asking things and you refusing is perfectly legitimate? Why is it that my needs and feelings are not important while yours should be always taken into consideration? Why is it that I have to make a conscious choice of using language I don' t want to use to make you feel better, but you can' t be bothered letting me express myself the way I want? Is it not common courtesy and decency to let people speak their mind?

Just leave trans people alone and it’s a non issue.

I am not the one going after them. I would be more than happy to stop caring about them once and for all and forget they exist. But as long as they butcher women' s right and free speech, it' s kind of a hard thing to do.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Aww this is so bittersweet, Omina being a badass, and circling wasting people's time. I would hardly know this wasn't the old reddit sub. Glad to see you here <3

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOL, yeah, arguing with Mask does bring back weird memories and nostalgia!!!!

Glad to see you toO!!!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Asking someone to do someone Especially something so basic as don’t call me this heinous insult isn’t an insult. I’m not calling you anything. You can consider it disrespectful I suppose but it simply isn’t an insult because that’s not what an insult is. I for instance don’t call women here cis, even though that would be my normal terminology because I’ve been asked not to and that basic respect is required to have any kind of meaningful discourse.

I am not the one going after them. I would be more than happy to stop caring about them once and for all and forget they exist. But as long as they butcher women' s right and free speech, it' s kind of a hard thing to do.

Okay this clearly isn’t going to be productive. Good evening.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Especially something so basic as don’t call me this heinous insult isn’t an insult.

The insult is not letting me express myself the way I want by trying to guilty tripping me. Didn' t you say that the victim is the one who should define something as insulting and not the user?

Okay this clearly isn’t going to be productive.

Talking to you never is.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Why does their offence over my factual observation that they’re a he matter? Why should women care if men’s feelings are hurt when we correctly identify the sex of the men in question?

In before ~basic human decency~

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You don’t have to care about other people but if you don’t give basic courtesy of not openly insulting them you can’t expect productive dialogue.

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So no it doesn’t matter that I’m equally insulted by being expected to police my language and deny my lives experiences.

Meaning women’s feelings matter less than the feelings of men who call themselves women. Women who disagree are heartless, don’t care about anyone, and are lacking in empathy.

Hurting a males feelings means women are emotionally/socially wrong.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I just said you don’t have to care about feelings. But you can’t expect Effective dialogue If you insult someone to their face. This isn’t about feelings at all.

If you take insult from a request not to insult someone you are trying to talk to then I can’t help you. You’ll never have productive dialogue with a trans woman you call a man, because it is a powerful insult.

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I don’t need your help. I need you to understand that to many women, you are displaying the same lack of care that you’re claiming I have.

Someone perceiving a neutral term like male as an insult is not my responsibility to cater to. I don’t care if transwomen want to call me a man because everyone knows they’re wrong. It’s not a dire insult it’s just a wrong description.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You' re wasting your time: if you do it, you' re an asshole, if void does it, it' s perfectly legitimate!

Because how you feel does not matter in the fucking least, how dare you equate you feeling insulted with the plight of being misgendered? And they are the ultimate victim! Always.

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It’s always amazed me the circles void talks in and I wonder if it’s why they chose the name.

The entire point they’re making really is just male feelings matter more than the opinions of uncaring women.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Actually I took my name to reflect the crushing depression I used to deal with.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Weird way to commemorate it but you deal with your depression how you like. Most of us prefer to forget it.