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[–]MezozoicGaygay male 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

It's easy for me to see how female people would not want to be female

Somewhere on GC sub was a joke about "Main difference between transwoman and woman is that woman does not want to be a woman in this society". And as far as I know, it is not really a joke.

[–]les4les 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Was just about to quote that exact line. I guess that not understanding gender or what it actually means would theoretically disqualify me from the debate, but when I've expressed that view to my trans or nonbinary friends, they've... generally also said "yes, gender is confusing" and "that's totally valid" and "me either" lmao, so I feel like in this situation it's unreasonable to expect people to exclude themselves from this discussion just because their inability to comprehend gender led them to decide it's fake in a way other than identifying outside the binary.

Also, haha, women are the original oppressed "gender." If we don't have a say, who the hell does?