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[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I just went looking for criticism of the song, and I'm disgusted that more feminists aren't speaking out. This song celebrates derogatory slurs and pain and degradation, and not one woman who isn't a conservative will speak about it? Maybe I'm just missing the articles.

[–]firebird 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I haven't seen any articles on it either, just regular people on social media concerned about the message.

The most common reason women and feminists in particular don't speak about it more, seems to be because they consider it a song about female sexual pleasure, and in that sense it would be a good thing. Or they consider it some kind of role reversal. Never mind that it's neither. Maybe not the best example (it's just the first I could think of), but I think something like Ex's & Oh's did both better.

It worries me though. This is being described as "an already iconic song about women sexuality". They've already generalized it. And I haven't seen anyone wonder what the input was of the three men who co-wrote the song either.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is what I don't understand. It's not about women's power. It's about women calling themselves "whores" and talking about how much they like pain and want to choke on penis and be spit on. Why are people saying this is about women's dominance? It's clearly nothing of the kind. It's about a woman who has sex for money and materialistic perks, and in the course of having that sex allows men to do violent things to her body. Has mainstream society become so sickened by porn that they believe this is both natural to women and powerful for women?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/joe-biden-cardi-b-how-can-he-justfy-embracing-her

Why are conservative dudes from The National Review the only ones able to point out a problem here?

[–]firebird 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Has mainstream society become so sickened by porn that they believe this is both natural to women and powerful for women?

I think so, yes. Combined with "regular" misogyny. The idea that women are just naturally submissive never really died, so then them chasing it in the bedroom seems logical, I guess.

In the end it just comes down to perspective. If you just warp it enough, you can turn anything into something empowering. The people doing the warping know it's not actually empowering, and the people seeing the message have grown so accustomed to similar ones that they believe it immediately.

Thanks for sharing the article, by the way. It was an interesting read. I don't think I'm anywhere near conservative, but they made a pretty solid analysis on how this impacts different groups and such.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The article seems like common sense to me.

“Critiquing ‘WAP’ as degrading, dehumanizing art is a camouflage for critiquing Black womanhood as a problematic expression.”

I try to avoid talking about race because I'm white from an extremely white area, but holy fuck, this comment from a defender of the song is highly offensive. They're saying this song represents black womanhood and black female sexuality. Good God, black women being portrayed as prostitutes and gold diggers who want to be slapped around is supposed to be empowering for black women and girls?

I did find one article from a black woman with some criticism:

https://communityjournal.net/false-empowerment-is-shaping-the-world

[–]firebird 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The trick for figuring out if something is empowering or not, is checking if the people who are actually in power are doing it. White men are definitely not portrayed this way, let alone that they would portray themselves this way, so the conclusion should be clear.

And regardless of the message, you'd think that proclaiming a song performed by just two people as representative for an entire demographic would be offensive enough on its own.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pornsickness spreading to general media. Get spit or pissed on by men because YOU love it ladies! Take charge and take slaps to the face like a boss babe.

The cognitive dissonance to call it empowering as a woman is astounding.