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[–]transwomanHesitantly QT?[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you for your input ☺️

When I created this post, I should have made mention of gendered socialization, as I agree with all the commenters that have talked about this in that no medical or surgical process could ever create that kind of socialization. I suppose I was primarily trying to focus in on the immutability of sex, and not anything gender-related.

I would not classify someone who was born female and someone who had a "complete" sex change in the same category, but I do think it makes the idea that "sex is immutable" a little more ambiguous. The primary reason I wouldn't classify them in the same category is that even in a genderless society (a society without gendered socialization), we would always have a level of "sexed socialization," since male and female bodies are just naturally different, which would naturally lead to differing paths of socialization. Is this a distinction you would also agree with?

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I’d still disagree purely because is sex was actually mutable, it wouldn’t require extensive surgical and chemical intervention to change.

[–]transwomanHesitantly QT?[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, but we already agree that sex is immutable as it stands in the present reality. We're just talking in a hypothetical situation where we can change all the signifiers we use for sex.

How does the extensiveness of a change invalidate the mutability of something? If it's possible to change, regardless of extensivity, doesn't that make it mutable?

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Time travel back to gestation and being born the opposite sex.

Nothing will undo socialisation so imo, surgeries will never cut it.