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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Choice is something feminism fought for for years. Another thing, GC is also against BDSM and any form of porn, regardless if it is consensual or not. You can’t say something people enjoy is bad for all women, or even the majority.

[–]DistantGlimmer 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry. Not just something a few people do for fun. It does have huge effects on society as it continually reflects negative misogynistic attitudes about women. Also, many porn actresses are not well treated even if you can find a few that possibly are and it encourages human trafficking. There are many detailed critiques of the porn industry from feminists that you can read.

Consensual BDSM is really a separate topic. We actually had a thread about it a week or two ago. I don't think it should simply be banned. Porn for profit should be though.

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I don't think any GC people actually advocate banning BDSM. I'm all in favor of banning violent porn, though. I feel like that would dramatically reduce the number of people engaging in sexualized violence.

[–]DistantGlimmer 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think it's degrading and harmful even when not explicitly violent but I am sure laws would have to be made and it would be quite complicated where the line would be drawn.

I've heard people criticize BDSM but never anyone talk about banning it either. Don't know how you even could. Obviously we don't want the government policing sexual practices of consenting adults in private.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Porn would be tough to reform and even tougher to ban outright. I think it's probably better to focus attention on banning porn involving violence. That seems like a cause most decent people could get behind.

Yeah, I'm not in favor of the government policing people's bedrooms. I just believe there should be criminal penalties for injuring or killing a partner during sex. That's probably enough.

[–]DistantGlimmer 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My view is all porn is harmful and the end0goal should be ban the whole industry but it makes sense to focus on the worst most violent porn first as a political tactic I guess

I just believe there should be criminal penalties for injuring or killing a partner during sex.

Yes absolutely BDSM should not be used as a legal defense for violence

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you think it's possible to ban porn again after the cat has been let so far out of the bag?

I'm skeptical. I'd be happy if it happened, but I don't see men giving up their porn without a fight.

[–]DistantGlimmer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's definitely going to be a huge fight. Was something they really seemed to be making headway with in the 70s and 80s but the Internet has made porn so much stronger and more ubiquitous. I' guess I would hope that if we can somehow make more people aware of the damage it causes and the way it exploits women more people will support banning it. But I don't know, it's a huge uphill battle and sometimes I just get really depressed about what it is doing to young people and it seems almost no way to fight such a strong and corrupting industry.

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I fully agree with those links. It's just that banning BDSM would be impossible to police. My main concern is the normalization of it in society.

[–]worried19 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is about class consciousness and class analysis.

Promoting the degradation, dehumanization, and subjugation of women in the sexual realm has negative effects on women and girls as a class of people. It's not about the rare woman who chooses to prostitute herself, but the masses of girls and women who did not choose it. It's not about the rare woman who claims that she was born a masochist. It's about the huge numbers of girls and women who have sexualized violence visited upon their bodies because violent acts have become the norm.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I absolutely can and do say that the commodification of women as sex objects and the normalisation of violence mixed with sex are bad for all women, even those who enjoy it.

How is it not harmful for people to believe that being prostituted is a fun sexy choice women just flippantly make? How are they not harmed by the idea that it is normal or expected to enjoy being slapped, choked, spat on, or restrained during sex?