Did feminism cause the current state of transgender politics?

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[–]cybitch 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

These points that you've brought out is why a lot of women don't call themselves feminists, myself included. It's funny, I'm about as pro-women's rights as they come, my interests lie in traditionally masculine fields so sexism will be a bigger issue for me in my career than it would be for most women. However, I also can't stand by nonsense like word policing and the denial that women and men have different brains and a different temperament. In fact, I see biological differences as the number one cause of both the patriarchy and whatever it is this sub considers the correct word for the sex changer people. For a woman's offspring to survive in nature, she has to avoid getting into any sort of conflicts, not just in the sense of not harming herself physically, but also because pregnancy is a dangerous time and she will need support from others. Women can't afford to settle things with open conflict like men, so appeasement and using language is all women have. Now it's being used against us and quite frankly I find men being so openly gleeful about it to be a bit sickening. I loathe western feminism as well, but I also see why it is what it is, and it's at least partially the fault of evolution.

[–]roguecanine 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For a woman's offspring to survive in nature, she has to avoid getting into any sort of conflicts, not just in the sense of not harming herself physically, but also because pregnancy is a dangerous time and she will need support from others. Women can't afford to settle things with open conflict like men, so appeasement and using language is all women have.

I would be careful with this whole evolutionary biology thing. Women and men are not different species and we are more the same than we are different. Evolution wouldn't go out of its way to create different brains if merely enhancing aggression via testosterone in men would have sufficed. It's hard to make any claims about women's propensity or lack of thereof to engage in conflicts because of the ever present socialization women have to go through. When society puts you down for the slightest hint of aggression it's no wonder you would be forced to develop other means through which to channel aggression. When it's OK for boys to get into fist fights, for girls it's blasphemy. Assertiveness in women is considered bitchiness, while it's congratulated in men. And when it comes to adults - is it any surprise that the physically weaker sex would try to solve conflicts with words vs fists - after all, they know they won't win the fist fight. It looks like a logical response to me, not related to one's sex - men would have had the same attitude when faced with physically stronger opponents.